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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
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    ChrisJChrisJ Registered Users Posts: 2,164 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    bigwebguy wrote:
    it can do a lot of things gus...

    Internet Explorer? Don't corrupt a perfectly good Mac with that! :D
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    patch29patch29 Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,928 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    bigwebguy wrote:
    it can do a lot of things gus...

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    I have been thinking about testing that out. How do you like it? Did you also try boot camp? Since my XP partition is already there, can I just install Parallels and run it? So many questions, how about USB devices via XP in Parallels? Time for a speed test. :D
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    NHBubbaNHBubba Registered Users Posts: 342 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    wxwax wrote:
    Upon further review, the screen's just fine. Wouldn't mine seeing what it looks like in matte instead of glossy, but they don't offer it.
    I'm not a huge fan of the new glossy screens either. Sure, they look great in perfect light, but my light is rarely perfect. I much prefered the matte screens of yester-year. Sadly all the big laptop makers, Dell, HP, etc etc all seem to be going this way, not just Apple.
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    DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    NHBubba wrote:
    I'm not a huge fan of the new glossy screens either. Sure, they look great in perfect light, but my light is rarely perfect. I much prefered the matte screens of yester-year. Sadly all the big laptop makers, Dell, HP, etc etc all seem to be going this way, not just Apple.


    I could see choosing a glossy if I knew I was going to be in a controlled environment, but on a laptop? Nu-uh.
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    SeamusSeamus Registered Users Posts: 1,573 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    gus wrote:
    . You dont need any more proof that what you are reading here 'bang for buck' wise.

    Thanks Gus, I just put 4 gigs memory into my dell 8300. I got it from Crucial.co.uk (thanks for the link gubbs). The 'puter is flying now.

    Shay.
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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    Seamus wrote:
    Thanks Gus, I just put 4 gigs memory into my dell 8300. I got it from Crucial.co.uk (thanks for the link gubbs). The 'puter is flying now.

    Shay.
    Truth to tell, this is the first thing I'm going to do. On Saturday, I'm going to buy a matching 1GB memory strip to go with the one that crashed my machine, remove my current memory and snap in the two new modules.

    On Sunday, you may see me on my knees at the Apple store. naughty.gif
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    bwgbwg Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,119 SmugMug Employee
    edited May 25, 2006
    patch29 wrote:
    I have been thinking about testing that out. How do you like it? Did you also try boot camp? Since my XP partition is already there, can I just install Parallels and run it? So many questions, how about USB devices via XP in Parallels? Time for a speed test. :D
    i just installed parallels today (hence the IE screenshot). my first impressions are that it is really fast. if i'm in full screen mode i dont notice any difference from sitting down at my pc. granted i dont have anything running on it besides IE at this point, but it's a promising start. a co-worker of mine uses parallels on his iMac when he works from home with no complaints...we're a microsoft shop.

    it found the dvd, usb, sound and network no problem.

    i was never able to get bootcamp working on my MBP...it didnt like the slipstreamed SP2 cd that i have so i just gave up on it.
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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    The NYT Does Macbook
    With the introduction of its new, 13-inch, low-cost laptop,
    the MacBook, Apple has officially eliminated its iBook and
    PowerBook families. Apple's laptop line is all MacBook, all
    the time.

    By Apple's own description, the MacBook is essentially the
    same thing as the MacBook Pro, which I've already reviewed
    (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/02/technology/circuits/02pogue.html),
    with different cosmetics.

    Inside, both the Pro and non-Pro laptops have the same
    blazing-fast, blazing hot Intel Core Duo chip that rips
    through software tasks--as long as you're running so-called
    Universal programs (those that have been adapted for the
    Intel chip). If you're running un-adapted programs, like
    Microsoft Office and Adobe anything, expect noticeable
    sluggishness.

    All Mac laptops now have a built-in camera with surprisingly
    good video quality, even in low light. All come with a remote
    control and Front Row, the software that lets you control
    playback of your photos, music, videos and DVD's from across
    the room. All have widescreen displays and a clever magnetic
    power-cord attachment that detaches when struck, rather than
    dragging the whole machine to the floor.

    But none of them have a built-in modem. If you stay
    exclusively at hotels with wireless Internet--and an employer
    that will reimburse you for using it--great. But if you ever
    find yourself at a bed-and-breakfast or friend's house, you
    won't be able to get online at all unless you've bought, and
    remembered to pack, Apple's $50 external USB modem.

    That's not to say that there are no differences at all. Take,
    for example:

    * Size. The new laptops have 13.3-inch screens, so they're
    more compact than the Pro models (which come in 15 or 17
    inches).

    Sadly, they're nowhere near as small as the deliciously small
    12-inch PowerBook that they replace. In fact, the MacBook is
    two full inches wider, despite adding only one inch to the
    diagonal screen size.

    In fact, the MacBook is only about an inch narrower than the
    15-inch MacBook Pro. What's up with that?

    * Case. MacBooks come in matte black or iBook white. The
    material is polycarbonate, a.k.a. bulletproof plastic (vs.
    the unpainted aluminum cases of the Pro models). As a result,
    MacBooks's Wi-Fi antennas get much better wireless reception
    than the Pro models--fantastic reception, in fact.

    The black model--the BlackBook--is unbelievably cool-looking.
    Every element, from the tiny screws to the fuzzy lining of
    the slot-loading DVD burner, is jet black. On the other hand,
    all the accessories are white (power adapter, external modem,
    and so on), which looks a little odd. The BlackBook's
    trackpad gets greasy and fingerprinty after very little time.
    Finally, this is expensive paint indeed; you'll pay $150 more
    for the black model than for an identically configured white
    one.

    (You may recall that the black iPod cost more than the white
    one. It sold just fine, and so will the BlackBook; looks
    sell, if you hadn't noticed.)

    * Price. The white MacBook starts at $1,100 (512 megs of
    memory, 1.83 gigahertz processor, CD burner-DVD player); $200
    more gets you a slightly faster chip and a DVD burner. If you
    order from the Apple Web site, you can (and should) pay $100
    more to double the memory.

    So what's the difference between the MacBook and the Pro
    version, which costs at least $900 more?

    Not much, really; it's mostly about the screen size. The Pro
    models also have dedicated memory for graphics, which Apple
    says makes them much faster on high-end games (Doom 3) and
    high-end pro apps like Aperture, Final Cut and Motion. And
    the Pro models have a card slot (ExpressCard), although
    there's not much you can put into it yet.

    * Screen coating. The MacBook has a glossy screen surface,
    also popular on Windows laptops, that makes blacks blacker
    and colors richer. There's been much hue and cry online about
    the potential for reflections and glare, but in practice,
    it's really not much of a problem.

    * Keyboard. The MacBook has a new keyboard design. Instead of
    cutting a hole in the top "deck" of the laptop and lowering a
    full modular keyboard into it, only the stalks of the keys
    protrude through individual holes in the deck. Apple says
    that the keys are therefore less likely to pop off, and my
    guess is that gook and gunk is less likely to get inside. The
    completely flat, non-sculpted key tops take some time to get
    used to, however.

    (The MacBook's rubber feet are also secured from within the
    case. They, too, will be far less likely to pop off--another
    common PowerBook complaint.)

    * Trackpad. All Apple laptops let you scroll (a Web page, for
    example) just by dragging two fingers, not one, across the
    trackpad. It's a trick that quickly becomes second nature.

    The MacBook adds something new: if you touch the pad with two
    fingers and then click the clicker, you produce what, on a
    Windows machine, would be a right-click of the mouse. Cool.

    * Latch. Speaking of little details that make a difference:
    there's no lid latch, no button to press. Instead, a strong
    magnet holds the clamshell shut. A gentle push of your thumb
    opens the lid. It works great.

    So how does the new MacBook stack up? Depends on where you're
    coming from. If you're a longtime Mac fan, you'll like the
    thin design, superbright screen, the convenient built-in
    camera and the speed. But you may be acutely aware of all
    you're giving up: a built-in modem, for example, and the easy
    one-handability of the old 12-inch model.

    If you're coming from the Windows world, or if you've never
    owned a laptop, the MacBook is a different story; you'll
    probably be bowled over by its beauty and power. (Why is it
    that the underside of Windows laptops are patchworks of
    stickers, logos, raised bumps and ugly panels, rather than
    the sleek and unbroken surface of Mac laptops? As an Apple
    executive puts it, "The bottoms of our laptops are better-
    looking than the TOPS of Windows notebooks!")

    You'll also enjoy the way a Mac laptop is instantly powered
    up and ready to go when you open its lid--no 40-second wake-
    up sequence is required. And, of course, there's the freedom
    from the constant worry about viruses and spyware, not to
    mention the nagginess of Windows itself.

    And so, as always, Apple giveth, and Apple taketh away. On
    balance, though, the MacBook is a very sweet laptop that's
    gained more than it's lost.
    Sid.
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    DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    wxwax wrote:

    The MacBook adds something new: if you touch the pad with two
    fingers and then click the clicker, you produce what, on a
    Windows machine, would be a right-click of the mouse. Cool.


    Nice write-up, but this is something that the MacBook Pros do, too.
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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    DavidTO wrote:
    Nice write-up, but this is something that the MacBook Pros do, too.
    I'd never heard of this, nor of 2-finger scrolling. I must admit, with my laptop, I prefer to use a USB mouse instead of the trackpad. Patch laughs at me, but I sometimes also pack a USB keyboard.
    Sid.
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    DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    wxwax wrote:
    I'd never heard of this, nor of 2-finger scrolling. I must admit, with my laptop, I prefer to use a USB mouse instead of the trackpad. Patch laughs at me, but I sometimes also pack a USB keyboard.


    2-finger scrolling is great, and it scrolls horizontal, too
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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    DavidTO wrote:
    2-finger scrolling is great, and it scrolls horizontal, too
    I played with patch's new Macbook last night. I really like the keyboard. The keys are somewhat spaced out, really helps a fat-finger such as myself.
    Sid.
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    DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    wxwax wrote:
    I played with patch's new Macbook last night. I really like the keyboard. The keys are somewhat spaced out, really helps a fat-finger such as myself.


    Have you seen the backlit keyboard on the MBP? Very cool, it has an ambient light sensor, so they turn on if you're in low/no light.
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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    DavidTO wrote:
    Have you seen the backlit keyboard on the MBP? Very cool, it has an ambient light sensor, so they turn on if you're in low/no light.
    No, I haven't. Sounds very cool indeed.

    Macbook Pro + 12 months (and still employed) = Me.
    Sid.
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    DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    wxwax wrote:
    No, I haven't. Sounds very cool indeed.

    Macbook Pro + 12 months (and still employed) = Me.


    I'm gonna hold you to that, Mister.
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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    DavidTO wrote:
    I'm gonna hold you to that, Mister.
    You have no idea. naughty.gif

    So, one thing I like about Windows is that the time is always displayed onscreen.

    Can a Mac do that?

    And can I have my shortcut icons always on the desktop, like Windows, instead of having to cursor over to find them?
    Sid.
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    wxwax wrote:
    You have no idea. naughty.gif

    So, one thing I like about Windows is that the time is always displayed onscreen.

    Can a Mac do that?

    And can I have my shortcut icons always on the desktop, like Windows, instead of having to cursor over to find them?

    nod.gif, upper right. Digital OR analog, your choice. Yes, you can have any number of shortcut icons on your desktop, and you also have the dock, which has your frequently-accessed programs - also fully customizable.
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    wxwaxwxwax Registered Users Posts: 15,471 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    nod.gif, upper right. Digital OR analog, your choice. Yes, you can have any number of shortcut icons on your desktop, and you also have the dock, which has your frequently-accessed programs - also fully customizable.
    thumb.gif
    Sid.
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    DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited May 25, 2006
    wxwax wrote:
    thumb.gif

    Even better than shortcuts is Quicksilver or LaunchBar (the one I use).
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    DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited May 26, 2006
    That NYtimes writeup made me want an MB, but it also made me feel pretty happy that my super slim but still pretty powerful will remain the lightweight champion. It's surprising that the new case grew so much, referring to the author's quoting the screen as growing by only 1 inch but the case by a full 2" in width.

    Someday (probably sooner rather than later), MrsIt will completely takeover the 12" and I'll have to buy a second lappy, but it'll be nice to keep that little bugger in the family.

    Can someone tell me more about this "Parallels" thing, or give the slow kid a linkie?
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    patch29patch29 Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,928 Major grins
    edited May 26, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    Can someone tell me more about this "Parallels" thing, or give the slow kid a linkie?


    Parallels Workstation.

    I am still working on figuring this out myself, but Boot Camp is working for me and PW cannot use the XP boot camp partition from what I have read. ne_nau.gif

    The new screen is also a widescreen. I wonder how the size increase is vs the old ibook? The Powerbooks were always a little thinner on the edges. I think the Ti PB was the champ in that category, but it gave up wifi range which I am happy to carry a little extra plastic to gain wifi range. thumb.gif
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    bwgbwg Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,119 SmugMug Employee
    edited May 26, 2006
    patch29 wrote:
    Parallels Workstation.

    I am still working on figuring this out myself, but Boot Camp is working for me and PW cannot use the XP boot camp partition from what I have read. ne_nau.gif

    The new screen is also a widescreen. I wonder how the size increase is vs the old ibook? The Powerbooks were always a little thinner on the edges. I think the Ti PB was the champ in that category, but it gave up wifi range which I am happy to carry a little extra plastic to gain wifi range. thumb.gif
    you dont need PW and bootcamp, so i'm confused why parallels not being able to use the xp partition is an issue for you?
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    DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited May 26, 2006
    bigwebguy wrote:
    you dont need PW and bootcamp, so i'm confused why parallels not being able to use the xp partition is an issue for you?
    so if I'm reading this correctly, Parallels is like VPC, but better because it is geared for processors (hardware) that can read the "Pentium II instruction set". I don't know what that really means, but its obvious its now a new alternative to VPC because of the new Intel chip. Right?

    (Darn, I was yet again hoping something came along that would let me run my Garmin software on my G4 :cry)
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    bwgbwg Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,119 SmugMug Employee
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    DoctorIt wrote:
    so if I'm reading this correctly, Parallels is like VPC, but better because it is geared for processors (hardware) that can read the "Pentium II instruction set". I don't know what that really means, but its obvious its now a new alternative to VPC because of the new Intel chip. Right?

    (Darn, I was yet again hoping something came along that would let me run my Garmin software on my G4 :cry)
    yeah, it's a software virtualization environment. i'm guessing it's gonna be more gooder than VPC because it's intel instructions -> intel instead of intel -> powerPC. i have no idea about the guts of that kind of thing but it makes logical sense.
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    patch29patch29 Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,928 Major grins
    edited May 26, 2006
    bigwebguy wrote:
    you dont need PW and bootcamp, so i'm confused why parallels not being able to use the xp partition is an issue for you?


    I already have XP on a partition that I made with bootcamp, as per the discussion in this thread, I don't think I can just install parallels workstation. I would have to install XP for PW? ne_nau.gif I also mainly installed XP to work with Mapsource and my GPS which several users report problems via PW with the USB connection, where XP via BC has worked well for me so far. I am sure they will get it worked out, but at the moment Boot Camp works for me, but I would like to be able to boot XP from OSX when I just want to work with Mapsource, of course by that time Garmin will release an OSX version of Mapsource and I won't need XP anymore. :uhoh rolleyes1.gif
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    bwgbwg Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,119 SmugMug Employee
    edited May 26, 2006
    patch29 wrote:
    I already have XP on a partition that I made with bootcamp, as per the discussion in this thread, I don't think I can just install parallels workstation. I would have to install XP for PW? ne_nau.gif I also mainly installed XP to work with Mapsource and my GPS which several users report problems via PW with the USB connection, where XP via BC has worked well for me so far. I am sure they will get it worked out, but at the moment Boot Camp works for me, but I would like to be able to boot XP from OSX when I just want to work with Mapsource, of course by that time Garmin will release an OSX version of Mapsource and I won't need XP anymore. :uhoh rolleyes1.gif
    i see, you dont want to reinstall windows. gotcha.

    the way parallels works is that you create a virtual workstation and specify what type of OS it will be, then you start that workstation and load it up just like it was an empty box.

    i created a new windowsXP workstation, started it up, put in my XP cd and installed windows. now whenever i want to do something in windows, i just fire up parallels and start the xp workstation and it's just like booting up a pc. the cool thing is you can also put the workstation into suspend mode instead of shutting it down, so the next time you start the workstation, it resumes where you left off instead of restarting.

    i dont know about the garmin problems, but my usb mouse worked fine.ne_nau.gif
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    patch29patch29 Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,928 Major grins
    edited May 26, 2006
    bigwebguy wrote:
    i see, you dont want to reinstall windows. gotcha.

    Right. Space is at a premium on my HD at the moment. I am looking for a larger HD to replace the one that came in my Macbook. Anyone have any recommendations? I was thinking either 100 or 120gb. I cannot figure out the right specs. I think it should be a 2.5" SATA 5400 rpm 9.5mm drive, but 100 or 150 SATA? I have read different specs and don't know which are correct. I have seen shots of drives being pulled out, but so far I cannot find any threads with a new model # that was installed. ne_nau.gif

    I would prefer to run Parallels, so if it worked with the GPS I would dump the partition and install it, but since it does not look like it is working yet. I will wait.

    Does anyone have some good info on Windows XP activation? I bought an XP home SP2 full install disk and it worked fine. I am getting the countdown days before activation is required. If I activate XP and in a month put in a new HD and have to reinstall it, when I go to reactivate will I have issues? Do I have to deactivate the one copy before I remove the old drive?
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    Mike LaneMike Lane Registered Users Posts: 7,106 Major grins
    edited May 26, 2006
    patch29 wrote:
    Does anyone have some good info on Windows XP activation? I bought an XP home SP2 full install disk and it worked fine. I am getting the countdown days before activation is required. If I activate XP and in a month put in a new HD and have to reinstall it, when I go to reactivate will I have issues? Do I have to deactivate the one copy before I remove the old drive?

    I went through this same thing previously. If you haven't activated it too many times previously, you'll be just fine. If you have activated it too many times it'll tell you to call Microsoft. When they answer just tell them that you reinstalled it on the same computer and you'll be fine.

    Note: I'm not advocating doing anything wrong here. You're allowed to do this assuming that you don't have it installed somewhere else.

    You should be just fine.
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    patch29patch29 Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 2,928 Major grins
    edited May 26, 2006
    Mike Lane wrote:
    I went through this same thing previously. If you haven't activated it too many times previously, you'll be just fine. If you have activated it too many times it'll tell you to call Microsoft. When they answer just tell them that you reinstalled it on the same computer and you'll be fine.

    Note: I'm not advocating doing anything wrong here. You're allowed to do this assuming that you don't have it installed somewhere else.

    You should be just fine.


    I am not worried about installing it on more machines. I only have one computer it will run on. I just want to make sure that I don't run into any problems. Hopefully I can find a replacement hard drive soon and just clean install both OS's. :D
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