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    spocklingspockling Registered Users Posts: 369 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2004
    rutt
    I very much like the system of having a gallery of shots posted for C&C and comments specific to each shot. I like to critique and it makes it easier to do by a lot. On the other hand, submission is a little harder and some people (not me) miss the emoticons and the threaded nature of the threads.

    Here is a case where I think FM has it right, at least from a technical point of view. People enter a photo into a challenge by starting a new thread in the appropriate forum with a special topic. So to enter a photo into WA #120, you have a subject like "#120: Fire & Ice" The post must contain one URL, the location of the image. Some piece of software notices these thread starters and adds the images to a gallery of entries to the challenge. You can then click on one of these images in the gallery and be taken to the appropriate thread.
    Rutt, I Think you nailed it here. Although the current system(new) has some much needed order, I don't think it can survive in the long run. It's just too much flipping back and forth between two sites.

    My 2 cents.....
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    ginger_55ginger_55 Registered Users Posts: 8,416 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2004
    I would like to ask a serious, non confrontational question. Losing me may or may not happen. Where can I go? Does anyone know of anyplace that exists like this? As it used to be.

    I would like that glimmer of hope. You engineer people and busy people have had your "hope". Can anyone suggest some place for me to go? Nicely.

    ginger
    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
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    pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,698 moderator
    edited August 25, 2004
    ginger_55 wrote:
    I would like to ask a serious, non confrontational question. Losing me may or may not happen. Where can I go? Does anyone know of anyplace that exists like this? As it used to be.

    I would like that glimmer of hope. You engineer people and busy people have had your "hope". Can anyone suggest some place for me to go? Nicely.

    ginger
    Ginger, Ginger - just come join us here http://dgrin.smugmug.com/gallery/201635/1

    Just click on the image yoiu want to comment on - if you are already signed in to your own smugmug acct, you do not even have to sign your comments becasue you are already recognized by smugmug. It really is easy - I think it will work out. You can even go back to writing in "smile" again thumb.gif Just give it a try.
    Pathfinder - www.pathfinder.smugmug.com

    Moderator of the Technique Forum and Finishing School on Dgrin
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    PerezDesignGroupPerezDesignGroup Registered Users Posts: 395 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2004
    ginger_55 wrote:
    I would like to ask a serious, non confrontational question. Losing me may or may not happen. Where can I go? Does anyone know of anyplace that exists like this? As it used to be.

    I would like that glimmer of hope. You engineer people and busy people have had your "hope". Can anyone suggest some place for me to go? Nicely.

    ginger
    The only photo sites with challenges that I'm familiar with are...

    http://www.dpchallenge.com (pics need to be withint challenge dates)
    http://www.pixeladdiction.com (just launched 1st Flower contest yesterday and any pic is accepted)

    As far as the same format here...I don't know of any place that offers that...Sorry.
    Canon Digital Rebel | Canon EOS 35mm | Yashica Electro GSN | Fed5B | Holga 35 MF

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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2004
    glimmer of hope for ginger
    ginger, dear,

    your hope is right here, at dgrin challenges. we're *trying* this out. who knows, we could have a different format in a month! let's work with this, and see how it goes. your contribution and competition is wanted, needed and welcome here.

    now get out there and shoot some more song titles!

    read my other threads re: ease of use, names, signing critiques, etc.
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    lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,207 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2004
    I'm still trying to figure out how to delete one of my now three photos in the cc forum. Is it not possible? It probably is but I'm very dense. If anyone knows? please tell me?? ne_nau.gifheadscratch.gifumph.gif:D
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    GREAPERGREAPER Registered Users Posts: 3,113 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2004
    lynnma wrote:
    I'm still trying to figure out how to delete one of my now three photos in the cc forum. Is it not possible? It probably is but I'm very dense. If anyone knows? please tell me?? ne_nau.gifheadscratch.gifumph.gif:D
    Correct me if I am wrong but deleting a photo from the gallery will also delete the comments attached to it?
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    ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2004
    GREAPER wrote:
    Correct me if I am wrong but deleting a photo from the gallery will also delete the comments attached to it?
    Since I was able to login as the owner to the gallery, I was able to make two changes that I think are for the good:
    1. Turned on "originals" to enable downloading photos from the gallery. I think this is what we want, as it will enable edits.
    2. Added a new gallery, Other->Trash Can. Just move your trace to here for now. (I don't know why delete doesn't work.) But with the Trash Can gallery, nothing including comments will be lost.
    If not now, when?
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    pathfinderpathfinder Super Moderators Posts: 14,698 moderator
    edited August 25, 2004
    rutt wrote:
    Since I was able to login as the owner to the gallery, I was able to make two changes that I think are for the good:
    1. Turned on "originals" to enable downloading photos from the gallery. I think this is what we want, as it will enable edits.
    2. Added a new gallery, Other->Trash Can. Just move your trace to here for now. (I don't know why delete doesn't work.) But with the Trash Can gallery, nothing including comments will be lost.
    Rutt, I have been thinking about the dgrin.smugmug.com challenge and critique site and, for those of us with smugmug accounts, it seems redundant. We could just post a link here linking our own smugmug acct and the comments could be made in our own comments section of our galleries. We could each create a Challenge Critique gallery and post our own pictures there and guests could post their comments there - Then we would not have to upload our images to dgrin.smugmug.com. Do you see any downside to this? Of course, those dgrinners without a smugmug account would have to use dgrin.smugmug.com. Just an alternative thoughtne_nau.gif
    Pathfinder - www.pathfinder.smugmug.com

    Moderator of the Technique Forum and Finishing School on Dgrin
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    lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,207 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2004
    pathfinder wrote:
    Rutt, I have been thinking about the dgrin.smugmug.com challenge and critique site and, for those of us with smugmug accounts, it seems redundant. We could just post a link here linking our own smugmug acct and the comments could be made in our own comments section of our galleries. We could each create a Challenge Critique gallery and post our own pictures there and guests could post their comments there - Then we would not have to upload our images to dgrin.smugmug.com. Do you see any downside to this? Of course, those dgrinners without a smugmug account would have to use dgrin.smugmug.com. Just an alternative thoughtne_nau.gif
    hmmm thats an interesting thought...mwink.gif
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2004
    then the comments are all over the place, not in one single gallery - no i like everything in one place. what's the big deal about loading a pic twice? it's not really more than a half minute, eh?
    pathfinder wrote:
    Rutt, I have been thinking about the dgrin.smugmug.com challenge and critique site and, for those of us with smugmug accounts, it seems redundant. We could just post a link here linking our own smugmug acct and the comments could be made in our own comments section of our galleries. We could each create a Challenge Critique gallery and post our own pictures there and guests could post their comments there - Then we would not have to upload our images to dgrin.smugmug.com. Do you see any downside to this? Of course, those dgrinners without a smugmug account would have to use dgrin.smugmug.com. Just an alternative thoughtne_nau.gif
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2004
    i am the owner of this gallery
    i'm sorry, but i have originals turned off. this is to protect folks. you can work on 800x600, the -L size. please, please don't make such changes. delete doesn't work for a very good reason. i have enabled a "guest" password, so you all can UPLOAD photos only. if you have a new version to show, based on critique, then load up the new version. if you delete or move photos, then the benefit of others learnign from the comments on your photo is lost.

    please, no changes to this gallery.

    rutt wrote:
    Since I was able to login as the owner to the gallery, I was able to make two changes that I think are for the good:
    1. Turned on "originals" to enable downloading photos from the gallery. I think this is what we want, as it will enable edits.
    2. Added a new gallery, Other->Trash Can. Just move your trace to here for now. (I don't know why delete doesn't work.) But with the Trash Can gallery, nothing including comments will be lost.
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited August 25, 2004
    *** regarding the star-system in the comments ***
    as benevolent host, i decree that the stars, for the purposes of the comments critiques thread, mean nothing. please don't infer that if you have a five-star on a comment that it means anything. five stars is the default, first of all. secondly, well, the stars aren't the point, are they? pay attention to the actuall comments, and don't worry about the stars.

    i'd ask everyone to just leave the stars at the default.

    thanks in advance for your cooperation :D
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    ruttrutt Registered Users Posts: 6,511 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    andy wrote:
    i'm sorry, but i have originals turned off. this is to protect folks. you can work on 800x600, the -L size. please, please don't make such changes. delete doesn't work for a very good reason. i have enabled a "guest" password, so you all can UPLOAD photos only. if you have a new version to show, based on critique, then load up the new version. if you delete or move photos, then the benefit of others learnign from the comments on your photo is lost.

    please, no changes to this gallery.
    With originals turned off, I can't download *anything* at all. Isn't there some inbetween so we can get at them to edit.

    I thought my delete substitute was a good one. Don't delete, just move to the trash can gallery. That way nothing is lost but clutter of out of date shots. You can always look in the trash can gallery.
    If not now, when?
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    dugmardugmar Registered Users Posts: 756 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    spockling wrote:
    Rutt, I Think you nailed it here. Although the current system(new) has some much needed order, I don't think it can survive in the long run. It's just too much flipping back and forth between two sites.

    My 2 cents.....
    My 2 cents as well. I agree 100%. The immediate posting/commenting/replying is gone with this new system. Plus the warm and fuzzy feeling of the forum community is gone. Posts are anonymous for the most part, it is hard to reply to them or figure out who they are, avatars are gone, etc. Efforts are doubled to upload, it's nearly impossible to download a photo for editing to show examples, etc...

    Doug
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    ginger_55ginger_55 Registered Users Posts: 8,416 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    I posted a portrait of me, I don't have a car. The title was to be You Don't Bring me Flowers Anymore.

    I never title my photos in my gallery. I don't know how to put the title up. I tried, and just titled the gallery, took that down.

    I actually, really, do not, actually, know what html is, it works or it doesn't, that has been my way of operating. I have often said that I work on a need to know basis.

    Andy's instructions are "use the html tag
    to make a new line for your name." That is after titling it. I can't do either. And I don't know what an html tag is, or where.

    Could someone help me with this or send me to where I could find out how to do it.

    ginger
    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
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    gubbsgubbs Registered Users Posts: 3,166 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    ginger_55 wrote:
    I posted a portrait of me, I don't have a car. The title was to be You Don't Bring me Flowers Anymore.

    I never title my photos in my gallery. I don't know how to put the title up. I tried, and just titled the gallery, took that down.

    I actually, really, do not, actually, know what html is, it works or it doesn't, that has been my way of operating. I have often said that I work on a need to know basis.

    Andy's instructions are "use the html tag <br> to make a new line for your name." That is after titling it. I can't do either. And I don't know what an html tag is, or where.

    Could someone help me with this or send me to where I could find out how to do it.

    ginger
    Hey ginger,
    I've just done it for you, because I needed to do it to enable me to write the instructions:D
    you must log in as dgrin
    select your picture
    in the drop down menu that appears underneath select "edit caption single"
    in the box underneath I typed:
    "You don't bring me flowers" <br>
    ginger

    I then hit the update button. :D
    give me a shout if you need more help

    You can still go back and edit what I've written if you want to change anything!!
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    dugmardugmar Registered Users Posts: 756 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    gubbs wrote:
    you must log in as dgrin
    select your picture
    in the drop down menu that appears underneath select "edit caption single"
    in the box underneath I typed:
    "You don't bring me flowers" <br>
    ginger
    Where as before, you could just simply hit the reply button in the thread and type the title. Your name was already signed for you in the left column. This is another step we need to take in the new format. Fine for the few of us that are familiar with this, but for new members, how do you think they will feel about having to remember all of these steps? Please, lets go back to the old format! This is going to do one of two things; 1.) Divide the group, or 2.) Scare a lot of the group away.

    I'm curious, and I know this is new and all... But, this challenge is already 4 days old and there are less than 10 submissions to the C&C page. How many is this compared to previous challenges in the same time frame?

    Doug
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    ginger_55ginger_55 Registered Users Posts: 8,416 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    I think someone did it for me, thank you.

    I did figure out how to log in, had trouble the second time, after going to my site to find out how to do this.

    So I now know how to do that, and you all have a portrait of me, all I had at midnight, or so, last night. I have always loved the title to that song, relate to it, also. Unfortunately, I can't stand, or understand, Barbra Streisand's voice, but the title did come to mind.

    g

    Where was the
    thing? I do not know that, since someone did it for me.
    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
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    gubbsgubbs Registered Users Posts: 3,166 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    ginger_55 wrote:
    I think someone did it for me, thank you.

    I did figure out how to log in, had trouble the second time, after going to my site to find out how to do this.

    So I now know how to do that, and you all have a portrait of me, all I had at midnight, or so, last night. I have always loved the title to that song, relate to it, also. Unfortunately, I can't stand, or understand, Barbra Streisand's voice, but the title did come to mind.

    g

    Where was the <br> thing? I do not know that, since someone did it for me.
    ginger, look back 3 posts <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/mwink.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" >
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    ginger_55ginger_55 Registered Users Posts: 8,416 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    Thanks, Gubbs. Is the br thing easy to find?

    g
    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
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    gubbsgubbs Registered Users Posts: 3,166 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    ginger_55 wrote:
    Thanks, Gubbs. Is the br thing easy to find?

    g
    yep

    I just typed:-

    "You don't bring me flowers" <br>
    ginger

    in the caption box.


    the <br> is an html tag, it doesn't show on the screen it just tells the computer to put a carriage return in. It doesn't matter too much, don't worry
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    lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,207 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    ginger_55 wrote:
    Thanks, Gubbs. Is the br thing easy to find?

    g
    'Ginger listen... the html is just a computer language thats hidden from view. Don't worry about it, you don't have to learn it. When you type your comments and put <br> ... because of the little arrows on each side of the br (short for line break) it does not show in the final commets. Only the fact that there is a break there.
    I know it's hard to read through all this stuff but we are trying to help. Don't worry about it, it's only computer stuff. Just for fun.. type in a comment and type <br> a couple of times and then update.. your'll see what happens.. you can always go back and change it.
    :D
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    ginger_55ginger_55 Registered Users Posts: 8,416 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    lynnma wrote:
    'Ginger listen... the html is just a computer language thats hidden from view. Don't worry about it, you don't have to learn it. When you type your comments and put <br> ... because of the little arrows on each side of the br (short for line break) it does not show in the final commets. Only the fact that there is a break there.
    I know it's hard to read through all this stuff but we are trying to help. Don't worry about it, it's only computer stuff. Just for fun.. type in a comment and type <br> a couple of times and then update.. your'll see what happens.. you can always go back and change it.
    :D
    Thanks, Lynn, I just put in some appropriate lyrics using <br> and it worked.
    I have a lot going on, maybe I should have been an actress. I could have looked happy if I wanted. Bill had the radiation implants for prostate cancer, nothing went right on that, my car broke, my phone doesn't work. I haven't been able to shoot since Thursday. Bill is back at work, I am waiting on my car. The phone will take a bit longer, have to order, and pay for, an adaptor for the hard of hearing like I used to have, and finagle the situation with verizon.

    I took my dogs for a walk on my oldest dog's third birthday. Bill usually does the walk, but he was out of town, (with his Depends), and I thought Skye deserved this on his birthday. I was feeling quite good about myself, and I looked in on dGrin and discovered the changes. I do poorly with change under the best of circumstances.

    I am kind of just hanging on. I wake up at 6 AM.......... just a bad time.
    Thanks.
    Lynn, I would like that picture to be good. I had set the ec, remember those initials from Andy, well, I had set them at minus 1, should I reset, redo, etc.

    Also, I got a book from Overstock last night, didn't open it til just now. It is called, Digital Photography Hacks. It is too big to put in my camera case, maybe, but it looks great for all sorts of situations. I was reading on night time photography, it will be supportive in the next challenge. Not covered heavily, but enough to do the trick. I would recommend it. I ordered it from
    Overstock.com on Aug 16th and it came yesterday, Aug 25th, pretty good for cut rate place. I have had very good luck with them. I paid $17.50. It retails for $29.95.

    ginger
    After all is said and done, it is the sweet tea.
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    PerezDesignGroupPerezDesignGroup Registered Users Posts: 395 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    ginger_55 wrote:
    Could someone help me with this or send me to where I could find out how to do it.
    Here's something i put together in photoshop real quick for future reference. Hope it helps.
    Canon Digital Rebel | Canon EOS 35mm | Yashica Electro GSN | Fed5B | Holga 35 MF

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    lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,207 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    Good Ginger, glad you are back on yer feet..

    Remember.. this too shall pass.. just "roll with it baby" (everything is a song title to me today) iloveyou.gif
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    lynnmalynnma Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 5,207 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    Here's something i put together in photoshop real quick for future reference. Hope it helps.
    Great job!! I'm sure it'll help those with zilch html.. clap.gif
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    gubbsgubbs Registered Users Posts: 3,166 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    Ginger

    looks like you've cracked itthumb.gif
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    PerezDesignGroupPerezDesignGroup Registered Users Posts: 395 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    Final example in real time...
    Canon Digital Rebel | Canon EOS 35mm | Yashica Electro GSN | Fed5B | Holga 35 MF

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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited August 26, 2004
    of course you can download! make the photo size large - this is 800 pixels on the long side. right click, and save the photo and ps it to your hearts content :D


    rutt wrote:
    With originals turned off, I can't download *anything* at all. Isn't there some inbetween so we can get at them to edit.

    I thought my delete substitute was a good one. Don't delete, just move to the trash can gallery. That way nothing is lost but clutter of out of date shots. You can always look in the trash can gallery.
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