Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Truthfully, when I was ONLY shooting birds, I would have changed to Nikon in a heartbeat.
I do not, no matter what you all say, think that equipment does not matter.
But for all around shooting, I think that Canon probably kicks ass or equals.
Also, remember Danielle, the really good birder/photographer. She showed up here a few times, but I used to mostly see her at dpreview. Since I don't go there anymore..............
Well, she would be a good one to come in here with her birds.
And I don't think I have ever seen a better photo than her Joshua tree!
WITH CANONs. Is she still around?
g (thanks to forsaking 45.00 haircuts for over 6 months, I could put mine in a pony tail, if that would help my shooting. I don't suppose that is the point here. smile.)
Go dig around around on the Nature & Wildlife forum on fredmiranda.com and you'll find lots of super great bird shots taken with Canon equipment. For example:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/342482 (You will need to register with fm in order to see this. There is no downside that I know of and it's great fun if sometimes humbling to look at the stuff that gets posted
there.)
Not to mention Fred's own bird photography which I've always admired.
It took about 30 seconds to find this.
My point? I think the Nikon/bird thing is somewhat dgrin specific. Harry is a fine bird photographer and he has developed a following here. Some of those people are influenced by Harry's choice in equipment. But look outside dgrin and you'll find that there is nothing very special about bird photography that favors one brand over another.
My point? I think the Nikon/bird thing is somewhat dgrin specific. Harry is a fine bird photographer and he has developed a following here. Some of those people are influenced by Harry's choice in equipment. But look outside dgrin and you'll find that there is nothing very special about bird photography that favors one brand over another.
I will agree that Nikon excells at birds!! Especially that expensive equipment that Nikon buyers seem to have in abundance.
Hogwash. I totally disagree with you on this, Ginger. Heck...I know a guy that shoots birds with a Canon with a 200mm lens. If you believe this....I've got a bridge for sale. I'll let you have it real cheap.
Look my only real point was that there are lots of georgous bird pictures shot with Canon equipment. I see them all the time on FM. I see lots of georgous Nikon portraits. I see event photographers with Nikon.
When I go places where the professional photojournalists are, I tend to see a lot more Canon. I don't think this has as much to do with the technical qualities of the two brands as it does with the marketing decisions they have made. Canon made a very deliberate choice to make a PJ camera and market it to the press. They price it, time its release, make special deals, all that stuff in order to appeal to that audience. I think the same is true of fashion and other commercial studio work. That's what the full frame high resolution sensor is about. Rumor has it that they will push it to 24MP sometime this year. That's a choice to challenge Hasselblad in this particular market.
I'm just not as familiar with Nikon, but I assume they must have their own marketing strategy. What is it?
That's what the full frame high resolution sensor is about. Rumor has it that they will push it to 24MP sometime this year. That's a choice to challenge Hasselblad in this particular market.
It will be difficult to pull those kinds of resolutions in that size sensor without a lot of noise and there's no real need for it anyway. I kind of expect 35mm sensors to top out around 20mpel but, if they're smart, they'll start focusing on dynamic range rather than resolution Real Soon Now.
Anyway medium format is already over 30mpel (check out Leaf's new back) and Kodak is just about to bring a 38mpel sensor to market.
It will be difficult to pull those kinds of resolutions in that size sensor without a lot of noise and there's no real need for it anyway. I kind of expect 35mm sensors to top out around 20mpel but, if they're smart, they'll start focusing on dynamic range rather than resolution Real Soon Now.
Anyway medium format is already over 30mpel (check out Leaf's new back) and Kodak is just about to bring a 38mpel sensor to market.
I agree about dynamic range. There are all kinds of ways to challnege. The 5D intro that Andy attended sure seemed aimed at those guys, though, didn't it?
I'm just not as familiar with Nikon, but I assume they must have their own marketing strategy. What is it?
Who gives a hoot? I don't care about their marketing strategies because I don't own stock in them. Just give me a camera that feels right in the hand and that takes good pics if I use it right.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Who gives a hoot? I don't care about their marketing strategies because I don't own stock in them. Just give me a camera that feels right in the hand and that takes good pics if I use it right.
Great answer, Harry! So you have no curiosity? Why is that interesting?
Great answer, Harry! So you have no curiosity? Why is that interesting?
I have a great deal of curiousity. I am curious about politics, religion, photography, music, art, etc. Of all the things available to ponder the marketing strategy of Nikon or Canon or Sony or ....... is very close to the bottom of the pile.
Harry http://behret.smugmug.com/NANPA member How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
I have a great deal of curiousity. I am curious about politics, religion, photography, music, art, etc. Of all the things available to ponder the marketing strategy of Nikon or Canon or Sony or ....... is very close to the bottom of the pile.
Harry, that's certainly your prerogative. But then you have nothing to add to this particular strand of the thread. Expressing one's lack of interest isn't constructive. Don't reply. If nobody else is interested either, it will die a natural death.
My problem is a promiscuity of curiosity, I suppose.
Harry, that's certainly your prerogative. But then you have nothing to add to this particular strand of the thread. Expressing one's lack of interest isn't constructive. Don't reply. If nobody else is interested either, it will die a natural death.
My problem is a promiscuity of curiosity, I suppose.
I disagree that Harry's comment isn't constructive. Quite the opposite in
fact.
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I will agree that Nikon excells at birds!! Especially that expensive equipment that Nikon buyers seem to have in abundance.
So, of course he got another bird in flight!
And yours was very good, too, Andy!
However, I am waiting to see versatility, lots of it, from Nikon shooters.
ginger
(I have birds in flight, too, and some are even close enough for really good stuff!)
I do not, no matter what you all say, think that equipment does not matter.
But for all around shooting, I think that Canon probably kicks ass or equals.
Also, remember Danielle, the really good birder/photographer. She showed up here a few times, but I used to mostly see her at dpreview. Since I don't go there anymore..............
Well, she would be a good one to come in here with her birds.
And I don't think I have ever seen a better photo than her Joshua tree!
WITH CANONs. Is she still around?
g (thanks to forsaking 45.00 haircuts for over 6 months, I could put mine in a pony tail, if that would help my shooting. I don't suppose that is the point here. smile.)
Daniella kicks ass, too
Ginger - dont' think for a minute that one camera is better than the other. They're both excellent - even at BIRDS!
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http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/342482 (You will need to register with fm in order to see this. There is no downside that I know of and it's great fun if sometimes humbling to look at the stuff that gets posted
there.)
Not to mention Fred's own bird photography which I've always admired.
It took about 30 seconds to find this.
My point? I think the Nikon/bird thing is somewhat dgrin specific. Harry is a fine bird photographer and he has developed a following here. Some of those people are influenced by Harry's choice in equipment. But look outside dgrin and you'll find that there is nothing very special about bird photography that favors one brand over another.
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Hogwash. I totally disagree with you on this, Ginger. Heck...I know a guy that shoots birds with a Canon with a 200mm lens.
"Osprey Whisperer"
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Yeah, and your mother!
But no doubt you are right.
Look my only real point was that there are lots of georgous bird pictures shot with Canon equipment. I see them all the time on FM. I see lots of georgous Nikon portraits. I see event photographers with Nikon.
When I go places where the professional photojournalists are, I tend to see a lot more Canon. I don't think this has as much to do with the technical qualities of the two brands as it does with the marketing decisions they have made. Canon made a very deliberate choice to make a PJ camera and market it to the press. They price it, time its release, make special deals, all that stuff in order to appeal to that audience. I think the same is true of fashion and other commercial studio work. That's what the full frame high resolution sensor is about. Rumor has it that they will push it to 24MP sometime this year. That's a choice to challenge Hasselblad in this particular market.
I'm just not as familiar with Nikon, but I assume they must have their own marketing strategy. What is it?
It will be difficult to pull those kinds of resolutions in that size sensor without a lot of noise and there's no real need for it anyway. I kind of expect 35mm sensors to top out around 20mpel but, if they're smart, they'll start focusing on dynamic range rather than resolution Real Soon Now.
Anyway medium format is already over 30mpel (check out Leaf's new back) and Kodak is just about to bring a 38mpel sensor to market.
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I agree about dynamic range. There are all kinds of ways to challnege. The 5D intro that Andy attended sure seemed aimed at those guys, though, didn't it?
Who gives a hoot? I don't care about their marketing strategies because I don't own stock in them. Just give me a camera that feels right in the hand and that takes good pics if I use it right.
http://behret.smugmug.com/ NANPA member
How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Great answer, Harry! So you have no curiosity? Why is that interesting?
I have a great deal of curiousity. I am curious about politics, religion, photography, music, art, etc. Of all the things available to ponder the marketing strategy of Nikon or Canon or Sony or ....... is very close to the bottom of the pile.
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How many photographers does it take to change a light bulb? 50. One to change the bulb, and forty-nine to say, "I could have done that better!"
Harry, that's certainly your prerogative. But then you have nothing to add to this particular strand of the thread. Expressing one's lack of interest isn't constructive. Don't reply. If nobody else is interested either, it will die a natural death.
My problem is a promiscuity of curiosity, I suppose.
I disagree that Harry's comment isn't constructive. Quite the opposite in
fact.