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    flyingpylonflyingpylon Registered Users Posts: 260 Major grins
    edited December 26, 2004
    I agree that if a feature could directly impact uploading or management (in a positive way) then it should be included. The problem is that you'll probably get bombarded with requests like "If you could just make it do this...". Next thing you know people are comparing your app to Photoshop and you're trying to figure out how to deal with color management... eek7.gif
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    muddykneesmuddyknees Registered Users Posts: 181 Major grins
    edited December 26, 2004
    I agree that if a feature could directly impact uploading or management (in a positive way) then it should be included. The problem is that you'll probably get bombarded with requests like "If you could just make it do this...". Next thing you know people are comparing your app to Photoshop and you're trying to figure out how to deal with color management... eek7.gif
    :hehIf you could just make SE be a Photoshop plugin whereby we could browse and edit photo's that are on Smugmug just like we can local files via the file browser... :wicked
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited December 26, 2004
    I see your point..
    I agree that if a feature could directly impact uploading or management (in a positive way) then it should be included. The problem is that you'll probably get bombarded with requests like "If you could just make it do this...". Next thing you know people are comparing your app to Photoshop and you're trying to figure out how to deal with color management... eek7.gif
    Nah, it's not happening yet, although there is a trend:-) Hopefully it won't happen...:-)
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited December 26, 2004
    Good idea!
    muddyknees wrote:
    :hehIf you could just make SE be a Photoshop plugin whereby we could browse and edit photo's that are on Smugmug just like we can local files via the file browser... :wicked
    Thanks for the good suggestion, appreciate that!
    My immediate plans, however, are to make the whole thing work.
    Work conveniently, reliably, fast, and, hopefully, better than everything else:-).
    Once this "Phase One" is complete, then I will start go though the list and make extensions:-)
    That is, of course, unless you're talking custom smugmug programmnig ;-), which is a totally separate issue:-)
    In any case - I'm keeping the list of such nice ideas, so when the opportune moment comes, I'll have something already laid out and won't have to pull it out of the hat:-)

    Thanks for using SE!

    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited December 28, 2004
    Unofficial beta update
    Build 0.1.0.47 can be downloaded from here:
    http://www.smugmugexplorer.com/download/smugmugexplorer_010_047.zip

    Caveat: some new functionality (autocreation and whatever comes with it) is non-finished, use at your own risk. The pre-existing stuff should work, though.

    New stuff is mostly about facelift and convenience.

    Pay attention to the hint area on a status bar, you may like what you see:-)

    Also: there are outstanding issues (API bugs) with some characters in album title, desc and image chaption.
    Bottom line: do not use &, <, ' in albums, and '," in captions.

    FORGOT ONE THING: this version requires gdiplus.dll.
    For XP/2003 users it's already there, for other versions:
    get it
    from Microsoft site.
    Sorry, no Win95..

    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    philspacephilspace Registered Users Posts: 59 Big grins
    edited December 28, 2004
    Thanks Nikolai - the api bug explains why some of my albums don't show up using smugmugexplorer - I will rename them and see what happens.

    thumb.gifbow
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited December 28, 2004
    Yeah, really sorry about that
    I didn't feel like doing much about what's gonna be fixed anyway, so I figured that a fair warning would suffice at this point..
    Thanks for your time!thumb.gif
    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    philspacephilspace Registered Users Posts: 59 Big grins
    edited December 28, 2004
    Nikolai wrote:
    I didn't feel like doing much about what's gonna be fixed anyway, so I figured that a fair warning would suffice at this point..
    Thanks for your time!thumb.gif
    Cheers!1drink.gif
    I got rid of the dashes and special characters on one folder, deleted the data folder and started from scratch - that didn't fix it. It must be something else and it is definately not a big deal.

    Carry on and keep on doing your thing - you are on the right track - great UI thumb.gif
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited December 28, 2004
    if you can possible send me the names
    philspace wrote:
    I got rid of the dashes and special characters on one folder, deleted the data folder and started from scratch - that didn't fix it. It must be something else and it is definately not a big deal.

    Carry on and keep on doing your thing - you are on the right track - great UI thumb.gif
    of the files/folders that you have problems with - that could have helped to ensure the fast resolution of this problem, if not on API side, then on mine.

    Thanks again!thumb.gif Glad you like the changes:-)
    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited December 28, 2004
    Another thing I forgot to mention
    This version can automatically convert your BMPs into JPEGs (you'd need to add .bmp to your extensions list).
    It's an old code from about two weeks ago.
    The coming one will be able to handle everything GDI+ can and will give you a bit more options about this conversion.

    HTH

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    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited December 29, 2004
    Can't reproduce:-(
    I tried to reproduce the problem with those names.
    I used one of the names that do not show up in your copy.
    so I created an album, uploaded one image, reconnected - still can see it.
    Here it is.
    http://nik.smugmug.com/gallery/336195/1/13368166
    Everything seems normal...
    I guess I need more facts, or something..
    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    philspacephilspace Registered Users Posts: 59 Big grins
    edited December 29, 2004
    Nikolai wrote:
    I tried to reproduce the problem with those names.
    I used one of the names that do not show up in your copy.
    so I created an album, uploaded one image, reconnected - still can see it.
    Here it is.
    http://nik.smugmug.com/gallery/336195/1/13368166
    Everything seems normal...
    I guess I need more facts, or something..
    Cheers!1drink.gif
    Thanks - it's no big deal, I couldn't recreate it either. I even made a gallery with a similar name from explorer and it worked headscratch.gif
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited December 30, 2004
    Version 0.1.0.49
    This is an update to a previously release "unofficial beta" v.0.1.0.37.
    Detail on a site and in the blog. Might be the last release for 2004.
    Enjoy!
    // forgot to say:
    Now you can also overwite conversion target. This gives you an oppotunity to lower the quality of jpeg files, sometimes substantially squeezing the size without so much of a loss.
    Resolution change is in the works - for those who unly upload low-res.. All the technicalitieas are covered, it's only a matter of UI, which could take some time - too many options to cover..
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    rainforest1155rainforest1155 Registered Users Posts: 4,566 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2005
    crash update categories
    Hi Nikolai,

    thanks for your hard work. I hope you had a nice new year's celebration.
    The new year always brings new problems:
    I created a new subcategory for my daily photos today and therefore wanted to update the categories in SE, but it crashed and just disappeared. Therefore I turned on all logging options. No error, it just stopped writing the log, but I'll send you the whole thing per mail.
    Hope you can make something out of it!

    For others having problems, this is how the end of my log looks like:
    01.01.2005 21:43:49:	 Finished Getting all sub categories for Rainforest1155 (0:00:02)
    01.01.2005 21:43:49:	 CategoryID=0ÿSubCategoryID=31257ÿTitle=Norbert
    01.01.2005 21:43:49:	 CategoryID=0ÿSubCategoryID=48574ÿTitle=2004 Backup
    01.01.2005 21:43:49:	 CategoryID=27ÿSubCategoryID=21926ÿTitle=Daily Photo 2004
    01.01.2005 21:43:49:	 CategoryID=27ÿSubCategoryID=53070ÿTitle=Daily Photo 2005
    01.01.2005 21:43:49:   Fin
    

    Have a nice weekend,
    Sebastian
    Sebastian
    SmugMug Support Hero
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2005
    Sebastian,
    Hi Nikolai,

    thanks for your hard work. I hope you had a nice new year's celebration.
    The new year always brings new problems:
    I created a new subcategory for my daily photos today and therefore wanted to update the categories in SE, but it crashed and just disappeared. Therefore I turned on all logging options. No error, it just stopped writing the log, but I'll send you the whole thing per mail.
    Hope you can make something out of it!

    For others having problems, this is how the end of my log looks like:
    01.01.2005 21:43:49:	 Finished Getting all sub categories for Rainforest1155 (0:00:02)
    01.01.2005 21:43:49:	 CategoryID=0ÿSubCategoryID=31257ÿTitle=Norbert
    01.01.2005 21:43:49:	 CategoryID=0ÿSubCategoryID=48574ÿTitle=2004 Backup
    01.01.2005 21:43:49:	 CategoryID=27ÿSubCategoryID=21926ÿTitle=Daily Photo 2004
    01.01.2005 21:43:49:	 CategoryID=27ÿSubCategoryID=53070ÿTitle=Daily Photo 2005
    01.01.2005 21:43:49: Fin
    

    Have a nice weekend,
    Sebastian
    Thanks for the catch!
    I have a few questions, if you don't mind..
    1. Is it still happening, or was it a "one-time deal"?
    2. What are the exact names of categories, sucategories and albums involved (reason: there are some open issues with API..) ?
    3. Did you create new categories/subcategories while being "loggeg in" in SE, and then tried to refresh the list, or you did it before launching SE?
    4. Just to be sure - are you using the lastest version (0.1.0.49)?
    Thanks again - and I hope this would be your worst problem in 2005:-)
    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    rainforest1155rainforest1155 Registered Users Posts: 4,566 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
    1. Is it still happening, or was it a "one-time deal"?
    2. What are the exact names of categories, sucategories and albums involved (reason: there are some open issues with API..) ?
    3. Did you create new categories/subcategories while being "loggeg in" in SE, and then tried to refresh the list, or you did it before launching SE?
    4. Just to be sure - are you using the lastest version (0.1.0.49)?
    Thanks for your instant answear! Yeah I guess that this was my worst problem at the moment.
    1. Yep, thought the problem would be the empty subcategories, but creating my albums manually didn't solve the crash with getting the categories. But getting the albums now also shows my new subcategories, so I can upload my pictures without problems.
    2. The subcategories involved are in the code snippet you quoted, so there's no problems with not allowed characters, I guess.
    3. Yeah, I guess I had SE still opened, but I've restarted SE 3 or 4 times and the crash is always the same.
    4. Yep. I also send you the full log to the webmaster adress of your Sklobovsky-Homepage. I didn't see the SE mail adress in the logfile itself.
    And for MSN, I can't get it to work anymore...I only got AIM, ICQ and YIM.
    Take your time while looking into this thing, it's not urgent. At least for me.

    Bye,
    Sebastian
    Sebastian
    SmugMug Support Hero
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2005
    Sorry, have to repeat the questions..
    Thanks for your instant answear! Yeah I guess that this was my worst problem at the moment.
    1. Yep, thought the problem would be the empty subcategories, but creating my albums manually didn't solve the crash with getting the categories. But getting the albums now also shows my new subcategories, so I can upload my pictures without problems.
    2. The subcategories involved are in the code snippet you quoted, so there's no problems with not allowed characters, I guess.
    3. Yeah, I guess I had SE still opened, but I've restarted SE 3 or 4 times and the crash is always the same.
    4. Yep. I also send you the full log to the webmaster adress of your Sklobovsky-Homepage. I didn't see the SE mail adress in the logfile itself.
    And for MSN, I can't get it to work anymore...I only got AIM, ICQ and YIM.
    Take your time while looking into this thing, it's not urgent. At least for me.

    Bye,
    Sebastian
    1. Still happens?
    2. I need to know all names, not only subcats... SE didn't do it before, right? So if you can be so kind to provide the names of recently created categories/subcategories and albums... "Recently" meaning those you created after the last fully successful SE session (you can judge by the logs, their are very "time-based":-)
    3. Latest version?
    4. if you can please resend your email to se@photosocal.com. I didn't set up smugmugexplorer one yet, and homepage email still goes to work... I'll fix it today, but DNS changes may take up to 48 hours..
    Thank you very much!
    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    rainforest1155rainforest1155 Registered Users Posts: 4,566 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
    1. Still happens?
    2. I need to know all names, not only subcats... SE didn't do it before, right? So if you can be so kind to provide the names of recently created categories/subcategories and albums... "Recently" meaning those you created after the last fully successful SE session (you can judge by the logs, their are very "time-based":-)
    3. Latest version?
    4. if you can please resend your email to se@photosocal.com. I didn't set up smugmugexplorer one yet, and homepage email still goes to work... I'll fix it today, but DNS changes may take up to 48 hours..
    Sorry for my unclear answears, I'll try it again.

    Yes it still happens with the newest version 0.1.0.49.

    Last time I used the "get categories" feature (not get albums, that works) was with version 0.1.0.28 and it still works with that version (I get an error message box: "List index out of bounds(5)" Apart from that it's working). I just checked by temporarily using this one (removing all config files of the new version).

    I traced it back...0.1.0.36 was the last one not to crash, but display the error. 0.1.0.47 is my next version I have and there SE just crashes, so I guess the problem existed before, but didn't result in a fatal crash.

    Just send you a mail with the newest log, there are all albums and categories listed.
    I hope this helps you.

    Bye,
    Sebastian
    Sebastian
    SmugMug Support Hero
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2005
    Thank you very much!
    Sorry for my unclear answears, I'll try it again.

    Yes it still happens with the newest version 0.1.0.49.

    Last time I used the "get categories" feature (not get albums, that works) was with version 0.1.0.28 and it still works with that version (I get an error message box: "List index out of bounds(5)" Apart from that it's working). I just checked by temporarily using this one (removing all config files of the new version).

    I traced it back...0.1.0.36 was the last one not to crash, but display the error. 0.1.0.47 is my next version I have and there SE just crashes, so I guess the problem existed before, but didn't result in a fatal crash.

    Just send you a mail with the newest log, there are all albums and categories listed.
    I hope this helps you.

    Bye,
    Sebastian
    Thanks for your detailed answers! I also got your logs this time.
    Hopefully will get the fix soon (if it's me.. if this is an API... well, I'll let you know anyways:-)

    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 1, 2005
    New version uploaded
    Features:
    • fix for the GetCategories bug
    • more options for file conversion
    • etc.
    Check SE home page for more details
    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    rainforest1155rainforest1155 Registered Users Posts: 4,566 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2005
    It works! clap.gif
    I'm glad you could fix it, looked for me like a nasty little bugger.
    Sebastian
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2005
    Me too
    It works! clap.gif
    I'm glad you could fix it, looked for me like a nasty little bugger.
    The fix was very simple (literally what's called "one-liner"), to find it - that was the problem, and the info you were so kind to send played the key part in it.

    Did you try image conversion yet? I'm interested in some feedback on that feature..
    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    rainforest1155rainforest1155 Registered Users Posts: 4,566 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2005
    Nikolai wrote:
    Did you try image conversion yet? I'm interested in some feedback on that feature..
    Nope, actually I don't have any pictures I want to convert. I save all my post processed pictures as high quality jpgs and use psd only for not finished ones. Everything else is a waste of space for me.

    - Thinking of it reminds me that I've got some panoramas in png and 1 in a big jpg (14MB) file. For these rare files it would be great if I could define the output-jpg of conversion by size. I want to preserve the most quality possible, but have to keep the file under 8MB for smugmug.
    I know that such an option would require a lot more cpu-time, but I would like to have it anyways.
    If it's not to hard to code of course, because I don't have a lot of pictures of this size.

    - Don't know if you already implemented it, but it would be great if you could show a report in the end when a picture was skipped. Just looked at my log when I uploaded a directory with such a file with version 0.1.0.34: Looks like it was just skipped without mentioning and yes I guess the 8 MB filter in the settings was turned on.

    - I've some albums with German umlaut (ä,Ä,ö,Ö,ü,Ü) and other characters like & and it would be nice if SE would display them correct and not as "&amp#252".
    I don't know if you got a table with such characters somewhere, but these are the ones I used so far:
    ü=&amp#252
    ö=&amp#246
    ä=&amp#228
    &=&amp#38

    - just one thing more comes to my mind: What about importing the ITPC-description of a picture into the caption-table of SE. I know that smugmug does that too, but this way I could check if I set everything right before uploading. I also could make some last minute changes to the captions without kicking the picture out, resave the IPTC and reimport it into SE.

    Phew, that's all for now. I hope you can make something out of my chaos. And remember: you asked! rolleyes1.gif

    Bye,
    Sebastian
    Sebastian
    SmugMug Support Hero
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2005
    Thank you for the feedback!
    • Size dependent conversion
      Yeah, that is still in my plans. Technically it's very simple, but UI make take some time..
    • Skipped pictures report
      yeah, that one's easy, I'll make the changes hopefully for the next release
    • Special characters (umlauts, accents, etc.)
      Well, for now it is kinda very low priority. But eventually I'll do that, I would need that from my Russian-named albums anyway:-)
    • ITPC description and other caption related work
      Yes, it's in the plans. Some stuff will be done sooner, some later.
      Speaking specifically about IPTC - I was (lazily) looking for it, but could not find an "ez2do" reference. If I find it (or if somebody points me to it:-), chances are that it will be "in" sooner.
    HTH

    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    rainforest1155rainforest1155 Registered Users Posts: 4,566 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2005
    Sounds great, these things aren't that urgent, so take your time! <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/thumb.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" >
    Concerning the IPTC stuff...I guessed that you're programming SE in delphi, so google digged this for me up:

    <TABLE border=1><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width=120>IPTC</TD><TD vAlign=top width=640>Delphi example of extracting IPTC info from a JPEG file that has such information.

    dIPTC can read, write, and generate IPTC jpeg data. dIPTC is part of the dEXIF library and as such is 100% Delphi, VCL free, and open source. The latest version is available from http://mcguirez.homestead.com/downloads.html

    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    source: http://www.efg2.com/Lab/Library/Delphi/Graphics/FileFormatsAndConversion.htm

    Hope this is usable stuff...if not let me know and I'll look some more.
    Sebastian
    Sebastian
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 2, 2005
    Awesome, thanks!
    Sounds great, these things aren't that urgent, so take your time! thumb.gif
    Concerning the IPTC stuff...I guessed that you're programming SE in delphi, so google digged this for me up:

    <TABLE border=1><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width=120>IPTC</TD><TD vAlign=top width=640>Delphi example of extracting IPTC info from a JPEG file that has such information.


    dIPTC can read, write, and generate IPTC jpeg data. dIPTC is part of the dEXIF library and as such is 100% Delphi, VCL free, and open source. The latest version is available from http://mcguirez.homestead.com/downloads.html


    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    source: http://www.efg2.com/Lab/Library/Delphi/Graphics/FileFormatsAndConversion.htm

    Hope this is usable stuff...if not let me know and I'll look some more.
    Sebastian
    I'll look into it. If it is what it says it is, chances are you might be getting your IPTC stuff much earlier than I thought:-)

    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    schoenofschoenof Registered Users Posts: 1 Beginner grinner
    edited January 6, 2005
    Need to support HTTP proxies
    It would be great if you could support HTTP proxies so we could use this app from behind firewalls...
    The coding changes required to support proxies are minimal....

    Thanks!

    Tony
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 6, 2005
    Tony
    schoenof wrote:
    It would be great if you could support HTTP proxies so we could use this app from behind firewalls...
    The coding changes required to support proxies are minimal....

    Thanks!

    Tony
    Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look into this.

    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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    Aaron ChristyAaron Christy Registered Users Posts: 30 Big grins
    edited January 7, 2005
    Feature Request
    I know this sounds like a silly request, but as far as I know, no other photo-uploader application has this ability. It would be great if Smugmug Explorer had a bandwidth throttle feature.

    More specifically, I would like to cap off how fast I want the upload to occur (i.e. 150 kbps).

    The reason for this request is that like many people, I am using a VoIP provider rather than a standard (POTS) telephone service and since it uses my broadband connection for phone service, large uploads can negatively impact the quality of my connection.

    (... and yes, for those in the know out there, I am using the QoS feature of my router, but I have yet to have it work completely as expected ...)

    I know that there are probably many other important features for SE, but this would be a great one to add!

    I'm a brand new SE user and I'm still evaluating, but I've been very impressed so far, especially considering how new it is.
    ..........................................................

    Aaron Christy
    http://www.surfacedamage.com/
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    NikolaiNikolai Registered Users Posts: 19,035 Major grins
    edited January 7, 2005
    Aaron
    I know this sounds like a silly request, but as far as I know, no other photo-uploader application has this ability. It would be great if Smugmug Explorer had a bandwidth throttle feature.

    More specifically, I would like to cap off how fast I want the upload to occur (i.e. 150 kbps).

    The reason for this request is that like many people, I am using a VoIP provider rather than a standard (POTS) telephone service and since it uses my broadband connection for phone service, large uploads can negatively impact the quality of my connection.

    (... and yes, for those in the know out there, I am using the QoS feature of my router, but I have yet to have it work completely as expected ...)

    I know that there are probably many other important features for SE, but this would be a great one to add!

    I'm a brand new SE user and I'm still evaluating, but I've been very impressed so far, especially considering how new it is.
    Thank you for trying SE out and for your kind remarks!

    It's an interesting suggestion, and I do understand the reason for it.
    However, at this moment I don't have a clear vision how to achieve it. It may be as simple as pausing between "batches", but I need to look into it.
    I promise I'll keep it in my todo list, though:-)

    Cheers!1drink.gif
    "May the f/stop be with you!"
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