Okay, so I have not read the China Study..maybe I will while on the shootout.
Anyway, I'd really like to see that data, and a definition of 'too soon'. My son is type 1 diabetic and I have done ALOT of reading about diabetes. My kids all had breast milk well past 6 months, and no cows milk before a year - actually later than that IIRC.
I think that *socially* it is generally accepted that the 1 year mark is the appropriate time to introduce a foreign milk (cow, goat, soy, ...) however I believe that *biologically* the more appropriate period to introduce a foreign milk would be after self-weaning from mother's milk has occured. Or at the very least, the age at which a biologically natural weaning would occur (versus a nursing strike mistaken for weaning or the early introduction of solids or the early, heavy reliance on solids for main nutrition or just lack of general support and knowledge about nursing beyond infancy). In humans, this is said to be typically 2+ years, and even likely to be around the 4+ year mark. Disclaimer: this has never been an issue for me so I've not done the research on it other than what I picked up in my evo bio classes awhile back. I don't have data to support the 2 year mark but it might be found at the WHO website as the WHO supports breastfeeding up to the age of 2 and beyond.
I'm lactose intolerant; my entire family is. Our culture just doesn't use or rely in any large part on the milk of other animals. My husband's family comes from a culture that historically relied in smaller parts on animal milk/products for sustenance through the rougher seasons. He handles lactose with ease ~ I believe his gene pool has evolved to be more accepting of lactose in accordance with survival needs. I also believe that his ethnic culture as well as our collective social culture have further evolved to encourage (recommend?) a higher intake of dairy than they need (and no longer depend upon for survival). And therein lies the big problem.
I see nothing being all/nothing or black/white ... I think many times people have a pre-disposition to something whether by genetics or even a gene fluke. And in these individuals, x-contributing factor (cow's milk) can have a higher trigger affect in causing y-disease (Diabetes I). Perhaps there is some rogue gene in people prone to Diabetes I that also contains some random reaction to a milk protein. So that x doesn't cause y per se, but x can be kmore accurately identified as a common link in those who succumb to y. [that made a loooooot more sense in my head as I typed it, than it did to my eyes when i read over it. I'm sorry if it appears unclear and cluttered, but such is the usual state of my mind lol)
Okay, so I have not read the China Study..maybe I will while on the shootout.
Anyway, I'd really like to see that data, and a definition of 'too soon'. My son is type 1 diabetic and I have done ALOT of reading about diabetes. My kids all had breast milk well past 6 months, and no cows milk before a year - actually later than that IIRC.
I'm not sure now about the too soon but here's a quick summary about the process (forgive me if I get any of this wrong):
-Type-1 is an auto-immune disease
-Auto-immune diseases are when the body's immune system attacks its own body tissues
-The immune system makes molds of foreign proteins when it first encounters them so it can recognize them and better attack them in the future. These molds make attacker cells that fit the foreign proteins. These molds are never lost so that the immune system remembers how to efficiently kill in the future (think of the idea of only getting the chicken pox once in your lifetime)
-The proteins in cow's milk somehow get to the bloodstream undigested. They are foreign and the immune system makes a mold for them.
-Those proteins closely resemble the proteins in the pancreas.
-The attacker cells for the milk proteins mistake the proteins in the pancreas as foreign and attack them making the pancreas unable to supply enough insulin
The same idea goes for other auto-immune diseases such as MS, arthritis, etc. stemming from different foreign proteins.
The book explains it much better but that's the basic idea I believe. It also gives hope - they've seen cases where after switching to the whole-foods plant-based diet someone with Type-1 is able to reduce the amount of insulin that needs to be injected. Probably won't ever eliminate the need to inject however.
Thanks for summarizing the China Study POV. I should say that I don't want to debate or highjack this thread, because this thread is about eating well and taking care of oneself, and I think that is really important.
I have a B.Sc. in genetics, and three years of work toward a masters in developmental biology. I have a sound understanding of autoimmune disease. I am well aware that type I diabetes is autoimmune, and how the islet cells in the pancreas are destroyed by the bodies immune system. I have been living with and educating myself about Type 1 for the last 7 years.
What I want to see is not the theory that cows milk protein is the trigger, but the actual evidence that this is so. The theory that you present is applicable to any and all triggers -- viral infection, fungal infection, misinformed genes, etc. It could be that milk is a trigger - but I see no evidence for this.
I have no doubt that switching to a whole foods diet will treat many, many symptoms and problems people have with their health - I can attest that I feel better for the most part when I watch what I eat and the more 'real food' the better. I know that insulin dosage is strongly linked to the type and amount of food one eats -basic diabetes education- fat is digested slower than carbohydrate. Complex carbs are digested slower than simple carbs. Protein slows digestion. The insulins that diabetics inject have different half lifes and the amount of each necessary is really dependant on the kind and quality of carbohydrate ingested along with the amount of accompanying fat and protein. And the consequences of getting the balance wrong are severe- as you could imagine how frightening it is to watch your child have an insulin induced seizure.
I also firmly believe that one of the true benefits of whole foods based eating is purging the preservatives and other toxins from your body that build up from eating processed foods.
-Type-1 is an auto-immune disease
-Auto-immune diseases are when the body's immune system attacks its own body tissues
-The immune system makes molds of foreign proteins when it first encounters them so it can recognize them and better attack them in the future. These molds make attacker cells that fit the foreign proteins. These molds are never lost so that the immune system remembers how to efficiently kill in the future (think of the idea of only getting the chicken pox once in your lifetime)
-The proteins in cow's milk somehow get to the bloodstream undigested. They are foreign and the immune system makes a mold for them.
-Those proteins closely resemble the proteins in the pancreas.
-The attacker cells for the milk proteins mistake the proteins in the pancreas as foreign and attack them making the pancreas unable to supply enough insulin
The same idea goes for other auto-immune diseases such as MS, arthritis, etc. stemming from different foreign proteins.
The book explains it much better but that's the basic idea I believe. It also gives hope - they've seen cases where after switching to the whole-foods plant-based diet someone with Type-1 is able to reduce the amount of insulin that needs to be injected. Probably won't ever eliminate the need to inject however.
No problem Ann. I have no doubt you know more about it than most and certainly way more than I do. Just wanted to answer the question you brought up. I agree with you proof is better than theory. From what the book says it sounds like it's still theory instead of a proven fact but he does make reference to many papers on the subject. I'd type them all in but it looks like about 25 of them in the short section of text (I'm to lazy). Here are the first four:
-Karjalainen J, Martin JM, Knip M, etal. "A bovine albumin peptide as a possible trigger of insulin-dependent Diabetes Mellitus." New England Journal of Medicine. 327 (1992): 302-307
-Akerblom HK, and Knip M. "Akerblom HK, and Knip M. "Preservation of beta-cell function in Type 1 diabetes." Diabetes/Metabolism Revs. 14 (1998): 31-67
-Naik RG, and Palmer JP. "Preservation of beta-cell function in Type 1 diabetes." Diabetes Rev. 7 (1999): 154-182
-Savilahti E, Akerblom HK, Tainio V-M, et al. "Children with newly diagnosed insulin dependent diabetes mellitus have increased levels of cow's milk antibodies." Diabetes Res. 7 (1988): 137-140
As David said, the book is well documented. I also just did a quick Google of "milk cause of type-1 diabetes" and there seems to be quite a bit of reading material about it on the net (didn't really look at any of them).
I will say that when I looked in the book again for these references that Dr. Campbell states this is one of the most contentious subjects in the area of nutrition.
There are many theories and beliefs about the average age of human weaning, and the following is just one more ripple in the pond. But in regards to the issue of auto-immunity and the early introduction of foreign milk, this theory in particular seemed interesting enough to single out ... not so much for Ann who is very well researched (!) but moreso for any lurkers to the thread who lack her educational background and personal experiences with an auto-immunity issue. (I am unfamiliar with Diabetes; I had no idea it was related to immunity issues until reading the above posts)
Humans share a common biological history and genetic predisposition towards specific breastfeeding tendencies based upon millions and millions of years of natural selection. It isn't a far stretch to visit the current breastfeeding habits of our primate cousins for insight into what might be a natural weaning period for today's human ... and (on topic, finally!) the possible affects of premature weaning from human milk to foreign milk.
Within the order of primates, humans are very closely related (98%) to the chimpanzee and gorilla families; both of whom typically wean no earlier than ~4 to 5 years of age. This is noted as being around the same time that permanent molars begin to erupt in their nurslings. For humans this is common around the kindergarten age, so ~5 to 7 years of age. This is also the commonly accepted age range in which a thriving human's immune system is determined to reach maturity. The long-ago aforementioned theory is that from an evo bio standpoint, natural selection favored children who had breastmilk made available to them at least up to this age. (Breastmilk providing a child's active immunities until the child's own immune system matured). If this were true, than today's introduction of foreign milks before the kindergarten age would possibly be considered as "too early" by proponents of this theory. Immature immune systems could be too unprepared to handle the x-, y-, or z-trigger (milk proteins?) contributing to or causing q-disease (Diabetes I) .
Ann, I hear you on the front of not wanting to risk messing with ANY kid's health/diet/nutritional intake ... much less of an immuno-suppressed child. Frightening, indeed ::hugs::. There is SO MUCH I want to pick your brain about, you sound like a fascinating guest to have at the (whole foods, organic, veg*n) dinner table!
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Hey Ann,
No worries about the hijack, it's a fascinating and important topic.
My understanding is evidence is mounting but it is contentious. The Finns, who used to have the lowest life expectancy among industrialized countries for men (58) until the government launched a big educational campaign against the risks of dairy, have been doing research about this for years:
And we know cow's milk promotes a lot of growth. It's designed by nature with many growth hormones to make calves grow really fast, but even calves don't stay on milk long.
Finally, Neal Barnard has published a lot of books and research about reversing diabetes. Even the Dairy Council has trouble refuting the success he's had, so they try to discredit other things about him like his possible link to PETA. Anyway, he's sounding the alarm loudly and often about dairy and even the New York Times ran a story about it today:
is a good read - data, theory and experiment with control, the kind of thing I can understand.
Its funny - I am lactose intolerant and have only started forcing myself to drink milk as an adult - the oesteoporosis argument. My daughter is also lactose intolerant but has learned to eat yogurt. My diabetic kid gave up milk products when he gave up bottles(long after he gave up nursing), and the diabetes dietician he sees regularly chastises us about that. My oldest drinks litres and litres of milk!!!
In any case, in our instance, the damage has been done by whatever trigger or triggers set off Alex's immune system. I actually suspect some of us are more susceptible to autoimmune reactions than others - arthritis, multiple sclerosis, diabetes, lupus, etc - some families have lots of these, others none.
A couple of tidbits (without supporting evidence )
1. The number of species of vegetables produced and eaten in North America has decreased radically (800%?) in the last century.
2. Canadian cows milk cannot be sold if it contains any extra hormones or antibiotics. Apparently the regulators test every batch!
A couple of tidbits (without supporting evidence )
1. The number of species of vegetables produced and eaten in North America has decreased radically (800%?) in the last century.
2. Canadian cows milk cannot be sold if it contains any extra hormones or antibiotics. Apparently the regulators test every batch!
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What I've learned so far: corn is friggin' everywhere. EVERY-WHERE. The greatest invention by man (chemical fertilizer) was also invented by the man that created the gas for the gas chambers in WWII, a jew who converted to christianity, but had to escape Germany in the 30's. If not for chemical fertilizers, 2 of 5 people would not be alive today.
I've started The Omnivore's Dilemma, a fascinating in-depth look at where our food comes from. It's a great read, so far.
Not a hijack. That's a great and fascinating book. Whole Foods blames that book for cutting their stock in half over the last 18 months. I've read the Whole Foods rebuttal and want to believe them because I like Whole Foods, but the Ominvore's Dilemma has the facts on its side.
The bottom line is if you expect claims like free range to mean what you think they mean, you're gonna be disappointed.
Although there is very little evidence that it reduces the risk of osteoporosis (and a lot of evidence suggesting it increases the risk), I sometimes hear about other benefits. One study suggested it was pretty good at lowering blood pressure when coupled with a diet of fruits and veggies, but I dunno If I'd take that to the bank. You don't see many people eating lots of fruits and veggies sans dairy with elevated blood pressure.
Although there is very little evidence that it reduces the risk of osteoporosis (and a lot of evidence suggesting it increases the risk), I sometimes hear about other benefits. One study suggested it was pretty good at lowering blood pressure when coupled with a diet of fruits and veggies, but I dunno If I'd take that to the bank. You don't see many people eating lots of fruits and veggies sans dairy with elevated blood pressure.
I haven't read your article yet but I've believed for a very long time that the human body is an ingenious, self regulating machine capable of fantastic achievements.
I know of a long standing argument by health food enthusiasts that the consumption of dairy products actually increases the problems of osteoporosis because the introduction of highly concentrated calcium and proteins from cow's milk triggers our body's defenses to shut down natural calcium production.
Yeah, very. I think most of us can't fathom how influencial large marketing budgets can be on us. The drug Lipitor (for cholesterol) is $33 billion in gross sales annually -- that's $10 billion more than the entire book industry. The margin on Lipitor is so high that lots of dollars are available to sell physicians on prescribing it.
I'm sure it's delicious as written, but I made some modifications based on what I had on hand, and the fact that I have a history of burning rice on the stove. So, just FYI... the following also work:
Instead of the 2 red bell peppers, I used a bag of Trader Joe's three-pepper blend. It's in the frozen aisle and has 1 lb. of red, yellow, orange, and green peppers all chopped up and ready to use. I just tossed a bag of that in the Vitamix.
I don't use taco seasoning, so I threw in (approximately) 1 1/2 TBS chili powder, 2 tsp cumin, 2 tsp garlic powder, 1 tsp oregano, 1/2 tsp salt, and 2 tsp paprika instead.
I put rice and the blended up broth&veggies in my rice cooker and tossed in an extra 1/4 c. rice or so (for a total of 2 1/4 c. brown rice) and just pressed "start". It was done when the rice cooker told me it was done!
Also, I had some black beans already pressure cooked, so I used those instead of canned beans.
We served this up in whole wheat tortillas with guacamole and fresh chopped tomatoes. But I've been eating the leftovers just plain, and it can be its own meal for sure. Thanks, Ben! <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/wings.gif" border="0" alt="" >
Protein in the diet
I admit I haven't read the China Study, so I don't know if the answer is in there. But does anyone add protein powder to their fruit smoothies? I have read the stuff on soy, but I actually used the whey based stuff sometimes in the past.
But as a male in my mid forties, is there really any need to? I eat plenty of nuts and vegetables. If not protein, any other supplements? I haven't for a while, and it doesn't seem like I should.
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I admit I haven't read the China Study, so I don't know if the answer is in there. But does anyone add protein powder to their fruit smoothies? I have read the stuff on soy, but I actually used the whey based stuff sometimes in the past.
But as a male in my mid forties, is there really any need to? I eat plenty of nuts and vegetables. If not protein, any other supplements? I haven't for a while, and it doesn't seem like I should.
The protein formula in the china study and eat to live is 2.5% to 5% of your calories should come from vegetable sources. Fuhrman said that every single whole foods, plant-based diet he could come up with had this amount of protein in it.
Point is: don't worry about it. Just eat mostly leafy greens, lots of fruits and other veggies and legumes, and enjoy life.
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British Study about food additives affecting behavior - not actual data, just an article, but probably not much of a surprise.
I remember the day that my first born (8 month old) son was with grandma while I worked. Walked in to get him, and she was helping him drink Pepsi from a can!!!!
Interestingly, diabetes dieticians recommend sugar free drinks (anything else beyond water has to be counted and besides... milk!, does not have much nutritional value) - of course, those drinks all contain aspartame, which is another controversial ingedient.
It really is a matter of choices to be made, and trying to get as much legitimate, valid information as possible - through all of the advertising and such.
It is interesting to read that milk may be a contributing factor to Type 1 development. My brother got Type 1 diabetes when he was 9.
My 3-month old reminds me a bit of him - he's gotten pretty chunky and is a big kid as my brother was (at least in the pictures I've seen). My wife has been nursing and we supplement with formula when needed. At first just regular stuff but he gets pretty gassy so early on we switched to lactose-free formula. I am thinking maybe we will keep him off cow's milk altogether - something we never thought about with my other 2 boys.
Does "lactose free" = "no cow milk proteins"?
The discussion in this thread keeps getting better and better...
It is interesting to read that milk may be a contributing factor to Type 1 development. My brother got Type 1 diabetes when he was 9.
My 3-month old reminds me a bit of him - he's gotten pretty chunky and is a big kid as my brother was (at least in the pictures I've seen). My wife has been nursing and we supplement with formula when needed. At first just regular stuff but he gets pretty gassy so early on we switched to lactose-free formula. I am thinking maybe we will keep him off cow's milk altogether - something we never thought about with my other 2 boys.
Does "lactose free" = "no cow milk proteins"?
The discussion in this thread keeps getting better and better...
You say you supplement with formula. Why? Just curious.
From some guy with a website I found this about lactose: "Lactose is a major type of sugar found in milk and milk products, including human milk. Lactose makes up less than eight percent of the solids in milk. Lactose is not found naturally in any other food aside from dairy products."
So no, lactose free is not the same as no cow milk proteins.
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You say you supplement with formula. Why? Just curious.
He's a big boy. At our 2 month check-up the doc said to my wife "good luck keeping up with him"! Also my wife has returned to work and she can't pump enough.
Thanks for the other info, I need to go figure out what kind of formula has "chopped up proteins" as in the article.
edit - well, that was easy. all the major brands have a version for babies who you suspect are "allergic to milk proteins". They break the proteins into pieces with enzymes. They also have soy-based products, but protein allergies can still occur. Of course, none of them mention suspected links to Type 1.
He's a big boy. At our 2 month check-up the doc said to my wife "good luck keeping up with him"! Also my wife has returned to work and she can't pump enough.
Thanks for the other info, I need to go figure out what kind of formula has "chopped up proteins" as in the article.
edit - well, that was easy. all the major brands have a version for babies who you suspect are "allergic to milk proteins". They break the proteins into pieces with enzymes. They also have soy-based products, but protein allergies can still occur. Of course, none of them mention suspected links to Type 1.
I love chunky babies! All of our kids hit 20lbs just after 2months so I completely relate. We learned with the first not to waste money on those infant carseats with subsequent kids!
Pumping is hard work. I had to pump when I returned to work, too, but for an older infant. I can't even imagine how taxing it must be to try to keep up with a newborn! to your wife for doing her best and using what is available to supplement (rather than replace) her breastmilk.
(I do, however, take issue with the doctor and his unsolicited prophecies which do nothing to assist, support, or encourage a mother to continue nursing .. but that is another rant for another time . If your wife would like some tips, tricks, and help boosting her supply please feel free to PM me. But I'm sure she appreciates the reprieve from pumping too, and I'm not here to judge!)
Regarding the issue of lactose, it is a milk sugar (also found in human milk FWIW). Examples of milk proteins are casein and whey, and AFAIK that is where most of the allergic-type reactions stem from. Most doctors tend to recommend a soy formula next, followed by a hypoallergenic formula. Of the hypoallergenic formulas available, the amino-acid variety would be best for a child allergic to (or avoiding) cow's milk proteins.
If it were me I'd likely do an organic soy formula I'm not all that keen on adulterated soy products, especially for babies, but I'd consider it the lesser of the two evils ... especially with a family history of Type I. Look out, though, it's nearly impossible to avoid ALL milk proteins because they are so common in everyday regular products. You'd have to shop specially (and more expensively) to avoid it altogether. But it's a great place to start, excluding it where and when you can
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I think that *socially* it is generally accepted that the 1 year mark is the appropriate time to introduce a foreign milk (cow, goat, soy, ...) however I believe that *biologically* the more appropriate period to introduce a foreign milk would be after self-weaning from mother's milk has occured. Or at the very least, the age at which a biologically natural weaning would occur (versus a nursing strike mistaken for weaning or the early introduction of solids or the early, heavy reliance on solids for main nutrition or just lack of general support and knowledge about nursing beyond infancy). In humans, this is said to be typically 2+ years, and even likely to be around the 4+ year mark. Disclaimer: this has never been an issue for me so I've not done the research on it other than what I picked up in my evo bio classes awhile back. I don't have data to support the 2 year mark but it might be found at the WHO website as the WHO supports breastfeeding up to the age of 2 and beyond.
I'm lactose intolerant; my entire family is. Our culture just doesn't use or rely in any large part on the milk of other animals. My husband's family comes from a culture that historically relied in smaller parts on animal milk/products for sustenance through the rougher seasons. He handles lactose with ease ~ I believe his gene pool has evolved to be more accepting of lactose in accordance with survival needs. I also believe that his ethnic culture as well as our collective social culture have further evolved to encourage (recommend?) a higher intake of dairy than they need (and no longer depend upon for survival). And therein lies the big problem.
I see nothing being all/nothing or black/white ... I think many times people have a pre-disposition to something whether by genetics or even a gene fluke. And in these individuals, x-contributing factor (cow's milk) can have a higher trigger affect in causing y-disease (Diabetes I). Perhaps there is some rogue gene in people prone to Diabetes I that also contains some random reaction to a milk protein. So that x doesn't cause y per se, but x can be kmore accurately identified as a common link in those who succumb to y. [that made a loooooot more sense in my head as I typed it, than it did to my eyes when i read over it. I'm sorry if it appears unclear and cluttered, but such is the usual state of my mind lol)
Yes but at least it wasn't too much VISUAL information (what with this being a photog site and all - whew! lol)
Was walking around in downtown Savannah, GA, and instantly thought of this thread. I didn't check out the menu though...
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I'm not sure now about the too soon but here's a quick summary about the process (forgive me if I get any of this wrong):
-Type-1 is an auto-immune disease
-Auto-immune diseases are when the body's immune system attacks its own body tissues
-The immune system makes molds of foreign proteins when it first encounters them so it can recognize them and better attack them in the future. These molds make attacker cells that fit the foreign proteins. These molds are never lost so that the immune system remembers how to efficiently kill in the future (think of the idea of only getting the chicken pox once in your lifetime)
-The proteins in cow's milk somehow get to the bloodstream undigested. They are foreign and the immune system makes a mold for them.
-Those proteins closely resemble the proteins in the pancreas.
-The attacker cells for the milk proteins mistake the proteins in the pancreas as foreign and attack them making the pancreas unable to supply enough insulin
The same idea goes for other auto-immune diseases such as MS, arthritis, etc. stemming from different foreign proteins.
The book explains it much better but that's the basic idea I believe. It also gives hope - they've seen cases where after switching to the whole-foods plant-based diet someone with Type-1 is able to reduce the amount of insulin that needs to be injected. Probably won't ever eliminate the need to inject however.
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Thanks for summarizing the China Study POV. I should say that I don't want to debate or highjack this thread, because this thread is about eating well and taking care of oneself, and I think that is really important.
I have a B.Sc. in genetics, and three years of work toward a masters in developmental biology. I have a sound understanding of autoimmune disease. I am well aware that type I diabetes is autoimmune, and how the islet cells in the pancreas are destroyed by the bodies immune system. I have been living with and educating myself about Type 1 for the last 7 years.
What I want to see is not the theory that cows milk protein is the trigger, but the actual evidence that this is so. The theory that you present is applicable to any and all triggers -- viral infection, fungal infection, misinformed genes, etc. It could be that milk is a trigger - but I see no evidence for this.
I have no doubt that switching to a whole foods diet will treat many, many symptoms and problems people have with their health - I can attest that I feel better for the most part when I watch what I eat and the more 'real food' the better. I know that insulin dosage is strongly linked to the type and amount of food one eats -basic diabetes education- fat is digested slower than carbohydrate. Complex carbs are digested slower than simple carbs. Protein slows digestion. The insulins that diabetics inject have different half lifes and the amount of each necessary is really dependant on the kind and quality of carbohydrate ingested along with the amount of accompanying fat and protein. And the consequences of getting the balance wrong are severe- as you could imagine how frightening it is to watch your child have an insulin induced seizure.
I also firmly believe that one of the true benefits of whole foods based eating is purging the preservatives and other toxins from your body that build up from eating processed foods.
Anyway, sorry for derailing the thread.
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-Karjalainen J, Martin JM, Knip M, etal. "A bovine albumin peptide as a possible trigger of insulin-dependent Diabetes Mellitus." New England Journal of Medicine. 327 (1992): 302-307
-Akerblom HK, and Knip M. "Akerblom HK, and Knip M. "Preservation of beta-cell function in Type 1 diabetes." Diabetes/Metabolism Revs. 14 (1998): 31-67
-Naik RG, and Palmer JP. "Preservation of beta-cell function in Type 1 diabetes." Diabetes Rev. 7 (1999): 154-182
-Savilahti E, Akerblom HK, Tainio V-M, et al. "Children with newly diagnosed insulin dependent diabetes mellitus have increased levels of cow's milk antibodies." Diabetes Res. 7 (1988): 137-140
As David said, the book is well documented. I also just did a quick Google of "milk cause of type-1 diabetes" and there seems to be quite a bit of reading material about it on the net (didn't really look at any of them).
I will say that when I looked in the book again for these references that Dr. Campbell states this is one of the most contentious subjects in the area of nutrition.
Happy reading.
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Humans share a common biological history and genetic predisposition towards specific breastfeeding tendencies based upon millions and millions of years of natural selection. It isn't a far stretch to visit the current breastfeeding habits of our primate cousins for insight into what might be a natural weaning period for today's human ... and (on topic, finally!) the possible affects of premature weaning from human milk to foreign milk.
Within the order of primates, humans are very closely related (98%) to the chimpanzee and gorilla families; both of whom typically wean no earlier than ~4 to 5 years of age. This is noted as being around the same time that permanent molars begin to erupt in their nurslings. For humans this is common around the kindergarten age, so ~5 to 7 years of age. This is also the commonly accepted age range in which a thriving human's immune system is determined to reach maturity. The long-ago
Ann, I hear you on the front of not wanting to risk messing with ANY kid's health/diet/nutritional intake ... much less of an immuno-suppressed child. Frightening, indeed ::hugs::. There is SO MUCH I want to pick your brain about, you sound like a fascinating guest to have at the (whole foods, organic, veg*n) dinner table!
No worries about the hijack, it's a fascinating and important topic.
My understanding is evidence is mounting but it is contentious. The Finns, who used to have the lowest life expectancy among industrialized countries for men (58) until the government launched a big educational campaign against the risks of dairy, have been doing research about this for years:
http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arc99/6_26_99/fob2.htm
My understanding is they came out with another report July 30th that added more weight to the case.
Another observation made widely is that infants with high growth are more susceptible: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/406006
And we know cow's milk promotes a lot of growth. It's designed by nature with many growth hormones to make calves grow really fast, but even calves don't stay on milk long.
Finally, Neal Barnard has published a lot of books and research about reversing diabetes. Even the Dairy Council has trouble refuting the success he's had, so they try to discredit other things about him like his possible link to PETA. Anyway, he's sounding the alarm loudly and often about dairy and even the New York Times ran a story about it today:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9E0CE6DC103AF933A0575AC0A964958260
You can see from the article how contentious it is.
I've started The Omnivore's Dilemma, a fascinating in-depth look at where our food comes from. It's a great read, so far.
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is a good read - data, theory and experiment with control, the kind of thing I can understand.
Its funny - I am lactose intolerant and have only started forcing myself to drink milk as an adult - the oesteoporosis argument. My daughter is also lactose intolerant but has learned to eat yogurt. My diabetic kid gave up milk products when he gave up bottles(long after he gave up nursing), and the diabetes dietician he sees regularly chastises us about that. My oldest drinks litres and litres of milk!!!
In any case, in our instance, the damage has been done by whatever trigger or triggers set off Alex's immune system. I actually suspect some of us are more susceptible to autoimmune reactions than others - arthritis, multiple sclerosis, diabetes, lupus, etc - some families have lots of these, others none.
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A couple of tidbits (without supporting evidence
1. The number of species of vegetables produced and eaten in North America has decreased radically (800%?) in the last century.
2. Canadian cows milk cannot be sold if it contains any extra hormones or antibiotics. Apparently the regulators test every batch!
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What I've learned so far: corn is friggin' everywhere. EVERY-WHERE. The greatest invention by man (chemical fertilizer) was also invented by the man that created the gas for the gas chambers in WWII, a jew who converted to christianity, but had to escape Germany in the 30's. If not for chemical fertilizers, 2 of 5 people would not be alive today.
Oh, and corn? It's everywhere.
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The bottom line is if you expect claims like free range to mean what you think they mean, you're gonna be disappointed.
Although there is very little evidence that it reduces the risk of osteoporosis (and a lot of evidence suggesting it increases the risk), I sometimes hear about other benefits. One study suggested it was pretty good at lowering blood pressure when coupled with a diet of fruits and veggies, but I dunno If I'd take that to the bank. You don't see many people eating lots of fruits and veggies sans dairy with elevated blood pressure.
I haven't read your article yet but I've believed for a very long time that the human body is an ingenious, self regulating machine capable of fantastic achievements.
I know of a long standing argument by health food enthusiasts that the consumption of dairy products actually increases the problems of osteoporosis because the introduction of highly concentrated calcium and proteins from cow's milk triggers our body's defenses to shut down natural calcium production.
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Food marketing budgets are just enormous.
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I posted it exactly as I received it from my brother, Ben, with the one exception of using brown rice instead of white basmati rice (and I adjusted the cooking time accordingly).
I'm sure it's delicious as written, but I made some modifications based on what I had on hand, and the fact that I have a history of burning rice on the stove. So, just FYI... the following also work:
Instead of the 2 red bell peppers, I used a bag of Trader Joe's three-pepper blend. It's in the frozen aisle and has 1 lb. of red, yellow, orange, and green peppers all chopped up and ready to use. I just tossed a bag of that in the Vitamix.
I don't use taco seasoning, so I threw in (approximately) 1 1/2 TBS chili powder, 2 tsp cumin, 2 tsp garlic powder, 1 tsp oregano, 1/2 tsp salt, and 2 tsp paprika instead.
I put rice and the blended up broth&veggies in my rice cooker and tossed in an extra 1/4 c. rice or so (for a total of 2 1/4 c. brown rice) and just pressed "start". It was done when the rice cooker told me it was done!
Also, I had some black beans already pressure cooked, so I used those instead of canned beans.
We served this up in whole wheat tortillas with guacamole and fresh chopped tomatoes. But I've been eating the leftovers just plain, and it can be its own meal for sure. Thanks, Ben! <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/wings.gif" border="0" alt="" >
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I admit I haven't read the China Study, so I don't know if the answer is in there. But does anyone add protein powder to their fruit smoothies? I have read the stuff on soy, but I actually used the whey based stuff sometimes in the past.
But as a male in my mid forties, is there really any need to? I eat plenty of nuts and vegetables. If not protein, any other supplements? I haven't for a while, and it doesn't seem like I should.
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I take a multi-vitamin, Vitamin D3 and I put flax seeds in my smoothie. Along with spinach (ala Baldy).
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Point is: don't worry about it. Just eat mostly leafy greens, lots of fruits and other veggies and legumes, and enjoy life.
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I remember the day that my first born (8 month old) son was with grandma while I worked. Walked in to get him, and she was helping him drink Pepsi from a can!!!!
Interestingly, diabetes dieticians recommend sugar free drinks (anything else beyond water has to be counted and besides... milk!, does not have much nutritional value) - of course, those drinks all contain aspartame, which is another controversial ingedient.
It really is a matter of choices to be made, and trying to get as much legitimate, valid information as possible - through all of the advertising and such.
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My 3-month old reminds me a bit of him - he's gotten pretty chunky and is a big kid as my brother was (at least in the pictures I've seen). My wife has been nursing and we supplement with formula when needed. At first just regular stuff but he gets pretty gassy so early on we switched to lactose-free formula. I am thinking maybe we will keep him off cow's milk altogether - something we never thought about with my other 2 boys.
Does "lactose free" = "no cow milk proteins"?
The discussion in this thread keeps getting better and better...
From some guy with a website I found this about lactose: "Lactose is a major type of sugar found in milk and milk products, including human milk. Lactose makes up less than eight percent of the solids in milk. Lactose is not found naturally in any other food aside from dairy products."
So no, lactose free is not the same as no cow milk proteins.
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Thanks for the other info, I need to go figure out what kind of formula has "chopped up proteins" as in the article.
edit - well, that was easy. all the major brands have a version for babies who you suspect are "allergic to milk proteins". They break the proteins into pieces with enzymes. They also have soy-based products, but protein allergies can still occur. Of course, none of them mention suspected links to Type 1.
Pumping is hard work. I had to pump when I returned to work, too, but for an older infant. I can't even imagine how taxing it must be to try to keep up with a newborn!
(I do, however, take issue with the doctor and his unsolicited prophecies which do nothing to assist, support, or encourage a mother to continue nursing .. but that is another rant for another time
Regarding the issue of lactose, it is a milk sugar (also found in human milk FWIW). Examples of milk proteins are casein and whey, and AFAIK that is where most of the allergic-type reactions stem from. Most doctors tend to recommend a soy formula next, followed by a hypoallergenic formula. Of the hypoallergenic formulas available, the amino-acid variety would be best for a child allergic to (or avoiding) cow's milk proteins.
If it were me I'd likely do an organic soy formula
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