All right - I may have found a frame I like - I am sure it is not to everyone's tastes, but I find it compelling in a certain kind of way. It is in color and B&W so Rut and others can chose which they prefer. I am open to all sorts of honest criticism.
I don't know about Rutt, but I am trying to think of what I could say that would be dishonest criticism.
I like them. I like the black and white best.
The color shows a little more detail at the bottom, the dark area, particularly at the bottom of the headstone. I would show that same detail in the blk and white, unless it is just not showing on my monitor.
We really missed you. Seemed so quiet here all week. Not much chit chat, little posting.
I think I like this one. The first one I like best in color, but it seems to lack detail. Water is kind of bright. This one has lots of detail in the water and the sky. The double row of hills is very interesting. Very nice.
We really missed you. Seemed so quiet here all week. Not much chit chat, little posting.
I think I like this one. The first one I like best in color, but it seems to lack detail. Water is kind of bright. This one has lots of detail in the water and the sky. The double row of hills is very interesting. Very nice.
Hey! thanks Snap! I was canoe camping in the forest on lake Umbaygog in Maine. Beautiful place, lots of rain, bugs, critters and peace.
Seems to me that all my shots look the same lately I have to get reading all thats been going on while I've been away.
I don't know about Rutt, but I am trying to think of what I could say that would be dishonest criticism.
I like them. I like the black and white best.
The color shows a little more detail at the bottom, the dark area, particularly at the bottom of the headstone. I would show that same detail in the blk and white, unless it is just not showing on my monitor.
That is it for the honest criticism.
Will get back to you with the dishonest,
ginger
I just can't hold my breath any longer tho, Ginger.
I agree that the B&W seems a little darker along the lower one half of the stone - I did not notice this so much on my monitor at home - I'll look at it again, and if need be, I'll dodge it a little.
Lynn, I like this BETTER one. I don't like the rough one.
ginger
Hi Snappy and Lynn. I like the whispy cloud coming down over the mtn in the calm one.
And I don't like choppy water. I have discovered that I find it very difficult to photograph so it doesn't appear just "noisy".
But when you fixed the first one, and in color, Lynn, you brought out that cloud whispering down over the mtn on the right, and I like that.
Snappy, I love your photo on The Challenge. And you thought you wouldn't have time.
I tell you all, I am running out of talent. I can feel it draining, what is left.
Geez, this is good,the work being done this week, to equal my own work would just undo me, but to hand in less, well, I can see why Sid didn't enter that one challenge.
I am relieved to have some of the pressure off. I did want to go to the kids, the guitar, the dancing and the food, at the market today, but it says rain.
Bill goes back to work next week, and he won't be available the end of this week. Anything interesting to photograph at a hospital.............and in wide.
Are all the babies gone now??
ginger
always used to sneak around to look at the babies.
Well here goes, my first post. Exciting. I've been lurking for a bit courtesy of my friend dugmar. This is a great forum and I intend to participate as much as possible. I've been looking for good wide-angle moments since this challenge started and don't think I've had that magic moment yet, but here are some pics I've captured so far.
Hey! thanks Snap! I was canoe camping in the forest on lake Umbaygog in Maine. Beautiful place, lots of rain, bugs, critters and peace.
Seems to me that all my shots look the same lately I have to get reading all thats been going on while I've been away.
Lynn,
I like the woods shots, but like the expert says, some LAB curves would help. The composition doesn't feel right on this shot with the fallen tree. I think a little diagonal angle would feel better. I like the next one *a lot*. The reflections are beautiful. Some work on those colors and it's perfect. Sorry I can't stick around to chat. It's lunch hour here. Back to work for me...
Hi Johnny...
Welcome! Good to have some new blood. Glad you're accepting the *challenge*. I like the first shot the best. The strong diagonal line is great. I think it could use a little *pop*, as we say around here. Some curves maybe. Has good potential.
Well here goes, my first post. Exciting. I've been lurking for a bit courtesy of my friend dugmar. This is a great forum and I intend to participate as much as possible. I've been looking for good wide-angle moments since this challenge started and don't think I've had that magic moment yet, but here are some pics I've captured so far.
Lynn,
I like the woods shots, but like the expert says, some LAB curves would help. The composition doesn't feel right on this shot with the fallen tree. I think a little diagonal angle would feel better. I like the next one *a lot*. The reflections are beautiful. Some work on those colors and it's perfect. Sorry I can't stick around to chat. It's lunch hour here. Back to work for me...
Thanks snap.. this is with some curve in lab.. I'm not sure what I'm doing tho...
Well here goes, my first post. Exciting. I've been lurking for a bit courtesy of my friend dugmar. This is a great forum and I intend to participate as much as possible. I've been looking for good wide-angle moments since this challenge started and don't think I've had that magic moment yet, but here are some pics I've captured so far.
not quite full wide (29mm = 46mm on a canon 10D)
17mm = 27.2mm
17mm = 27.2mm
Hi There Johnny D! welcome to Dgrin.. you'll have fun here. We are an obsessive bunch... especially around challenges
Nice shots so far.. lots of experts in this forum to help if needed.
lynnma
That's a very deep question, even in it's most shallow color theory meaning. I know both of you (Ginger and Lynn) own DM's Professional Photoshop. Read the section called "Pearls Before Swine" on page 4. In fact read all of chapter 1.
I can't say it as well as Dan. I can't make the argument as clearly as he does. But the point is that there is no reality. The brain and eye are just to interconnected. Here is one example that really surprised me. When I took Dan Margulis' class, the chief photographer for the Cleveland Museum of Art was also taking it. His job take pictures of the art for:
archival and academic purposes, to ensure there is a record if anything happens to the originals and to allow people to study the collection without actually visiting,
books and catalogs of the collections and shows, and
posters
I asked why he was taking Dan's class. Why not use a spectroscope and just get the colors right? Well it turns out that right is different at different sizes (you have to make Cezanne as bright as von Gogh if you reproduce it small in a cataloge, otherwise you just can't see it. Posters can't really be the same colors as paintings, something about the smooth shiny surface makes the colors look wrong if ther are right. Go figure.
I've posted it here before, but here is my favorite optical illusion. It proves you just can't trust your eyes:
Okay, I've got some more shots from today. I was seeing in black and white for a little bit and I like what I came up with, but not having any experience doing black and white what do you all think?
Also I subtly adjusted the levels on the red fire escape shot to make the yellow to red wash more vivid. Any other recommendations on it?
Here's todays shots all at 17mm:
Here's the adjusted fire escape shot.
Some people are like Slinkies... not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
Wow I can not believe all the amazing shots Lynmma you have a couple that knocked me offa my feet
And this Jonnydanger comes out of left field to be a contender Welcome JD
Ginger puts up so many good pictures it is like going to a diner that has too much that is to good to choose from. which of hers I like better
I guess I will throw in a couple more . No Dogs no Kids no City just a bit of Gods Country. O'Canada:D
I guess I will throw in a couple more . No Dogs no Kids no City just a bit of Gods Country. O'Canada:D
And of course my usual ... a black and white
Tim
Welcome JD as well, I'd like your shots better if there was a person or something of interest in the foreground--otherwise, fine composition and tonal balance.
Shakey, I like that shot better in color, in BW the highlight detail on the water seems to be lost?
Lynn, I like the clothesline shot the best. <scratching at those skeeters though>
When Hurricane Hugo hit in 1989, I was living across from this Coast Guard Station. Loved it! Walk to the beach, great view of this station in the front, joggers running by. The hurricane struck, 5 feet of water.
Didn't plan to talk about the hurricane, just wanted to mention that I used to live across from this place. The sunset tonight was spectacular. An hour before the sky was just a dull grey, as it had been all day.
You all have snuck in some great photos while I was gone tonight. Can't leave this place anymore.
Shakey, you really have something there in god's country. (did you see, god paid us a call tonight?) You really captured your moment.
Mitchell, I like the museum shot a lot.
Lynn, one of my favorite "subjects" is clothes lines, so I would be a sucker even if the shot weren't so good. Did you purposely put the shoes there?
The other shot, I still like it better in color, the wispy clouds really show up.
Johnny, I like the barnacles, just cause I do. The red wall still catches my eye. I am not an expert on blk and white, I just like it in certain cases. Can't help you with that. Don't see a lot of barnacle shots, or I don't. Like yours.
If I missed anyone, I will catch it.
I just have to post you all, just gotta. I was so discouraged for most of the night, but my stuff did not turn out bad.
Believe me, god is easy compared to kids, right Mitchell. HAHA, Andy, I went out to that market again to get pictures of kids dancing, without cutting anyone out. OK, I have a wide angle lens, the place is packed, the kids are dancing, or not. One thing they are is terrified of me, and the parents didn't trust me much either. The whole thing wasn't easy. Cutest darn kids in the most beautiful clothes. Up to about the age of five, maybe, the parents had dressed the kids the way some of us think kids ought to be dressed. Bows in their hair. And the evil eye whenever I was around with my camera. Yes, life was difficult. Then my fortune changed, OK, I got the kid shots, but I was not happy, not until a very nice farm family kind of posed for me, by that I mean, they didn't run or give me the evil eye when I asked if I could take their picture, got a good one, too. And life got better.
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I don't know about Rutt, but I am trying to think of what I could say that would be dishonest criticism.
I like them. I like the black and white best.
The color shows a little more detail at the bottom, the dark area, particularly at the bottom of the headstone. I would show that same detail in the blk and white, unless it is just not showing on my monitor.
That is it for the honest criticism.
Will get back to you with the dishonest,
ginger
We really missed you. Seemed so quiet here all week. Not much chit chat, little posting.
I think I like this one. The first one I like best in color, but it seems to lack detail. Water is kind of bright. This one has lots of detail in the water and the sky. The double row of hills is very interesting. Very nice.
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Seems to me that all my shots look the same lately
ginger
I agree that the B&W seems a little darker along the lower one half of the stone - I did not notice this so much on my monitor at home - I'll look at it again, and if need be, I'll dodge it a little.
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And I don't like choppy water. I have discovered that I find it very difficult to photograph so it doesn't appear just "noisy".
But when you fixed the first one, and in color, Lynn, you brought out that cloud whispering down over the mtn on the right, and I like that.
Snappy, I love your photo on The Challenge. And you thought you wouldn't have time.
I tell you all, I am running out of talent. I can feel it draining, what is left.
Geez, this is good,the work being done this week, to equal my own work would just undo me, but to hand in less, well, I can see why Sid didn't enter that one challenge.
I am relieved to have some of the pressure off. I did want to go to the kids, the guitar, the dancing and the food, at the market today, but it says rain.
Bill goes back to work next week, and he won't be available the end of this week. Anything interesting to photograph at a hospital.............and in wide.
Are all the babies gone now??
ginger
always used to sneak around to look at the babies.
Is Scary.
Doug
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Lynn,
I like the woods shots, but like the expert says, some LAB curves would help. The composition doesn't feel right on this shot with the fallen tree. I think a little diagonal angle would feel better. I like the next one *a lot*. The reflections are beautiful. Some work on those colors and it's perfect. Sorry I can't stick around to chat. It's lunch hour here. Back to work for me...
Susan Appel Photography My Blog
Welcome! Good to have some new blood. Glad you're accepting the *challenge*. I like the first shot the best. The strong diagonal line is great. I think it could use a little *pop*, as we say around here. Some curves maybe. Has good potential.
Susan Appel Photography My Blog
Nice shots so far.. lots of experts in this forum to help if needed.
lynnma
That ab curve thing really did a trick, Rutt.
Now, the question is, what is reality?
And now that you aren't there, do the frogs still make a noise?
g
I can't say it as well as Dan. I can't make the argument as clearly as he does. But the point is that there is no reality. The brain and eye are just to interconnected. Here is one example that really surprised me. When I took Dan Margulis' class, the chief photographer for the Cleveland Museum of Art was also taking it. His job take pictures of the art for:
- archival and academic purposes, to ensure there is a record if anything happens to the originals and to allow people to study the collection without actually visiting,
- books and catalogs of the collections and shows, and
- posters
I asked why he was taking Dan's class. Why not use a spectroscope and just get the colors right? Well it turns out that right is different at different sizes (you have to make Cezanne as bright as von Gogh if you reproduce it small in a cataloge, otherwise you just can't see it. Posters can't really be the same colors as paintings, something about the smooth shiny surface makes the colors look wrong if ther are right. Go figure.I've posted it here before, but here is my favorite optical illusion. It proves you just can't trust your eyes:
Also I subtly adjusted the levels on the red fire escape shot to make the yellow to red wash more vivid. Any other recommendations on it?
Here's todays shots all at 17mm:
Here's the adjusted fire escape shot.
Lynn:
This is spectacular! I absolutely love this one.... Works great in B&W. Nice composition, to my eye. KUDOS
ginette
And this Jonnydanger comes out of left field to be a contender
Ginger puts up so many good pictures it is like going to a diner that has too much that is to good to choose from.
I guess I will throw in a couple more . No Dogs no Kids no City just a bit of Gods Country. O'Canada:D
And of course my usual ... a black and white
Tim
Tim
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Welcome JD as well, I'd like your shots better if there was a person or something of interest in the foreground--otherwise, fine composition and tonal balance.
Shakey, I like that shot better in color, in BW the highlight detail on the water seems to be lost?
Lynn, I like the clothesline shot the best. <scratching at those skeeters though>
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Tim
Tim
When Hurricane Hugo hit in 1989, I was living across from this Coast Guard Station. Loved it! Walk to the beach, great view of this station in the front, joggers running by. The hurricane struck, 5 feet of water.
Didn't plan to talk about the hurricane, just wanted to mention that I used to live across from this place. The sunset tonight was spectacular. An hour before the sky was just a dull grey, as it had been all day.
ginger
Shakey, you really have something there in god's country. (did you see, god paid us a call tonight?) You really captured your moment.
Mitchell, I like the museum shot a lot.
Lynn, one of my favorite "subjects" is clothes lines, so I would be a sucker even if the shot weren't so good. Did you purposely put the shoes there?
The other shot, I still like it better in color, the wispy clouds really show up.
Johnny, I like the barnacles, just cause I do. The red wall still catches my eye. I am not an expert on blk and white, I just like it in certain cases. Can't help you with that. Don't see a lot of barnacle shots, or I don't. Like yours.
If I missed anyone, I will catch it.
I just have to post you all, just gotta. I was so discouraged for most of the night, but my stuff did not turn out bad.
Believe me, god is easy compared to kids, right Mitchell. HAHA, Andy, I went out to that market again to get pictures of kids dancing, without cutting anyone out. OK, I have a wide angle lens, the place is packed, the kids are dancing, or not. One thing they are is terrified of me, and the parents didn't trust me much either. The whole thing wasn't easy. Cutest darn kids in the most beautiful clothes. Up to about the age of five, maybe, the parents had dressed the kids the way some of us think kids ought to be dressed. Bows in their hair. And the evil eye whenever I was around with my camera. Yes, life was difficult. Then my fortune changed, OK, I got the kid shots, but I was not happy, not until a very nice farm family kind of posed for me, by that I mean, they didn't run or give me the evil eye when I asked if I could take their picture, got a good one, too. And life got better.
ginger
Tim this really ROCKS! I love the vivid color, the composition--the asymmetry creates a wonderful tension, this is a Contender IMO.
Lynne
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