Hey Zach, don't forget to take some pictures? This is a photography
forum, right
Oh I will take mucho pictures.
I asked on bimmerforums in the autox section and the told me similar answers. They also said hope it rains so the other cars have less traction well I rock out with my AWD car out.
I asked on bimmerforums in the autox section and the told me similar answers. They also said hope it rains so the other cars have less traction well I rock out with my AWD car out.
I must have missed it probably because I didn't read this whole thread. You are going to an autocross with a BMW?
2 of my brothers and one of my nephews is going to the 5erfest in South Bend, Indiana.
Oh that? It's not new anymore. It's almost 2w old. First service is scheduled for 5k miles. I won't have to get out any sort of tools. It's included with the car.
You have a 1.8T? Have you chipped it? Make sure they're putting in synthetic. Better yet, bring your own Mobil 1 and a box of donuts. The best thing you can do while the car's covered under the free maintenance is get in good with your service advisor and the techs. They can save you a load of $ down the road.
Chipping new cars really doesn't do all that much. On BMW's '93 and up all a chip does is maybe add 2-3hp and in my book thats not worth $300 for a decent chip.
Now my 17 year old car on the other hand, the gains people see from chipping my car is on the order of 15-20 RWHP which is a significant difference. I can also buy the best chip for my car for under $250.
Chipping new cars really doesn't do all that much. On BMW's '93 and up all a chip does is maybe add 2-3hp and in my book thats not worth $300 for a decent chip.
Ah my boy, you are sadly mistaken. Chipping new cars is way way more effective than old ones. Think about it, how much computer control is in new cars vs. old ones? Right! A lot more. From what I've read, A $200-$300 chip will give the turbo VAG engine 40 bhp instanltly. I've only read, I dare not try... that would be absolutely absurd for a 3200lb front-drive car.
I work with a guy that's into Cyclones (that's a S10 truck with go-fast
stuff). He's into all that chipping and turboing. Yeah, his truck goes fast.
Me? I think the Audi is pretty quick out of the box. When it comes right
down to it, we'll both end up with tickets using any of that power on the
street.
Ian
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Ah my boy, you are sadly mistaken. Chipping new cars is way way more effective than old ones. Think about it, how much computer control is in new cars vs. old ones? Right! A lot more. From what I've read, A $200-$300 chip will give the turbo VAG engine 40 bhp instanltly. I've only read, I dare not try... that would be absolutely absurd for a 3200lb front-drive car.
Well that may be the case with VAG engins but BMW engines come pre-tunned to their maximum efficiency. 2-3 more hp and 2-3 more mpg. Your car weighs 3200lbs? sorry!
Well that may be the case with VAG engins but BMW engines come pre-tunned to their maximum efficiency. 2-3 more hp and 2-3 more mpg. Your car weighs 3200lbs? sorry!
Yes, my car weighs 3200 lbs. Find me something else that'll carry 4 people and their luggage comfortably, pulls in any gear, and has over 200 ft-lbs of torque that weighs less.
That aside, sometimes you sound so much like me of 5 years ago that it scares me... Driving a ratty old bavarian box and swearing up and down the street its the best thing on two wheels.
Ah, the new 2.0T. A3 or A4? Haven't followed its' aftermarket at all since I have a B5 Avant (2001 A4 1.8T). Have you been to Audiworld.com? My GIAC chip adds ~40 hp and 80 lb-ft. An Audi chip is the biggest bang for the buck you can get. Of course quattro helps a lot for traction, too. Killer in the winter with winter tires.
Ian has a new A4... I have an A3, only it's a 3 door and has a VW badge on the front.
I actually like it much better than the A3 I drove. That may have been different if I had driven the quattro version, but at $10k more than the GTI, I still would have ended up with the GTI.
Well that may be the case with VAG engins but BMW engines come pre-tunned to their maximum efficiency. 2-3 more hp and 2-3 more mpg. Your car weighs 3200lbs? sorry!
Show me a current BMW weighing less than 3200 pounds. You can't compare a current German sport sedan to one that's a decade old. Safety and comfort have come a long way. As a track car, the old E30s are nice, but as a daily driver, I'll take something a little more substantial.
Yeah, the prices on new Audis are getting ridiculous. Prices on a well-equipped A3 2.0T are what I paid for my A4 almost 5 years ago. The nice thing about the front drive turbo Audi/VWs, is you get more power to the wheels (no quattro sucking up your hp). As long as you can manage traction, you'll get more power to the ground. Have they gotten rid of that horrible blue-ish instrument panel lighting on the VWs yet?
That aside, sometimes you sound so much like me of 5 years ago that it scares me... Driving a ratty old bavarian box and swearing up and down the street its the best thing on two wheels.
Two wheels? You talking about your GS
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Yeah, the prices on new Audis are getting ridiculous. Prices on a well-equipped A3 2.0T are what I paid for my A4 almost 5 years ago.
It's funny. For less money, the base GTI has much more standard equipment than the base A3. Both have fwd, same engine, same chassis. The interior of the base GTI is way nicer than the base A3. While I liked the A3 I drove a few months ago, the interior was no more exciting than MrsIt's 2004 Jetta. GTI on the other hand, even my cheapest no option model has the sweet flat-bottomed fat-gripped sport steering wheel, nice aluminum trim, etc. You pay a lot for the 5 rings... just like you pay alot for that kidney bean grille.
Too bad BMW doesn't have a little sister company, trickle down within big companies is such a good thing. Can you imagine the VW level version of a 3-series?! Who wouldn't have one?
The nice thing about the front drive turbo Audi/VWs, is you get more power to the wheels (no quattro sucking up your hp). As long as you can manage traction, you'll get more power to the ground.
As far as front drivers go, the GTI has crazy grip, it puts all that torque down very well while retaining a very neutral feel. VAG has come a long way in making their engines lighter to eliminate that wheel-barrow effect.
Have they gotten rid of that horrible blue-ish instrument panel lighting on the VWs yet?
They threw in lots of the Audi red/orange, so it's now very acceptable. I rather like it.
Now my 17 year old car on the other hand, the gains people see from chipping my car is on the order of 15-20 RWHP which is a significant difference. I can also buy the best chip for my car for under $250.
I'll admit I'm not too hip to the older BMWs, but 17 year old bimmer has enough tech in it to be worth chipping? I didn't think they went OBD until 1992. Can't you simply advance the timing and lean out the mixture mechanically?
I'll admit I'm not too hip to the older BMWs, but 17 year old bimmer has enough tech in it to be worth chipping? I didn't think they went OBD until 1992. Can't you simply advance the timing and lean out the mixture mechanically?
1992 for OBD1 thats correct. If we could add 20hp by adjusting the mixture, somone would be doing it instead of spending $200 on a chip
1992 for OBD1 thats correct. If we could add 20hp by adjusting the mixture, somone would be doing it instead of spending $200 on a chip
It's not increasing the peak hp, it's about raising the average hp and putting it where you need it. If your BMW is mechanical injection and ignition, assuming you run high test gas (IIRC those year BMW's only call for 87) rotate the distributor to dial in about 5 degrees of advance over the factory spec (obviously some number other than 5 is ideal, maybe 3, maybe 7, more likely 7 than 3, just don't blow the engine, but this gives you an idea of where to start) and richen the mixture a touch to start with, then lean it out as far as you can. I bet your 1/4 mile times will drop by 3 tenths.
Richard
It's not increasing the peak hp, it's about raising the average hp and putting it where you need it. If your BMW is mechanical injection and ignition, assuming you run high test gas (IIRC those year BMW's only call for 87) rotate the distributor to dial in about 5 degrees of advance over the factory spec (obviously some number other than 5 is ideal, maybe 3, maybe 7, more likely 7 than 3, just don't blow the engine, but this gives you an idea of where to start) and richen the mixture a touch to start with, then lean it out as far as you can. I bet your 1/4 mile times will drop by 3 tenths.
Richard
So you're saying that the dynojets are lying when they read 142 RWPH stock and 155 RWHP with a chip?
BTW I already have a mass airflow meter from a 3.5l engine and 19lb injectors (stock is 15).
In response to the "hey you should chip it" comment, I took a look around.
How the heck do you know who's telling the truth and who's lying? I mean
one says one thing and another something else with regard to processing
claims. Who are "reliable" mfgr's?
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So you're saying that the dynojets are lying when they read 142 RWPH stock and 155 RWHP with a chip?
BTW I already have a mass airflow meter from a 3.5l engine and 19lb injectors (stock is 15).
No, actually what I was saying was a typo. Instead of "It's not increasing the peak hp" I meant to say it's not increasing the peak hp that matters. If there is a chip for it, I figure it's got electronic injection, but advancing the timing would still probably work...unless the chip is doing that. To be honest I don't know enough about those cars that were in between the mechanical and electrical era...if it's mechanical though, the timing advance is worth it.
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I asked on bimmerforums in the autox section and the told me similar answers. They also said hope it rains so the other cars have less traction well I rock out with my AWD car out.
I must have missed it probably because I didn't read this whole thread. You are going to an autocross with a BMW?
2 of my brothers and one of my nephews is going to the 5erfest in South Bend, Indiana.
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why is this the first question out of everyone's mouth when they hear you have a VAG X.XT?
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Now my 17 year old car on the other hand, the gains people see from chipping my car is on the order of 15-20 RWHP which is a significant difference. I can also buy the best chip for my car for under $250.
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stuff). He's into all that chipping and turboing. Yeah, his truck goes fast.
Me? I think the Audi is pretty quick out of the box. When it comes right
down to it, we'll both end up with tickets using any of that power on the
street.
Ian
That aside, sometimes you sound so much like me of 5 years ago that it scares me... Driving a ratty old bavarian box and swearing up and down the street its the best thing on two wheels.
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I actually like it much better than the A3 I drove. That may have been different if I had driven the quattro version, but at $10k more than the GTI, I still would have ended up with the GTI.
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Show me a current BMW weighing less than 3200 pounds. You can't compare a current German sport sedan to one that's a decade old. Safety and comfort have come a long way. As a track car, the old E30s are nice, but as a daily driver, I'll take something a little more substantial.
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Two wheels? You talking about your GS
Too bad BMW doesn't have a little sister company, trickle down within big companies is such a good thing. Can you imagine the VW level version of a 3-series?! Who wouldn't have one?
As far as front drivers go, the GTI has crazy grip, it puts all that torque down very well while retaining a very neutral feel. VAG has come a long way in making their engines lighter to eliminate that wheel-barrow effect.
They threw in lots of the Audi red/orange, so it's now very acceptable. I rather like it.
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at 3104lbs Thats what I have!
That's why I said it.
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Light weight race version
Williams F1 has ended its reign and team PGT has taken over.
i think that's how i'll carve my pumpkin this year
I'll admit I'm not too hip to the older BMWs, but 17 year old bimmer has enough tech in it to be worth chipping? I didn't think they went OBD until 1992. Can't you simply advance the timing and lean out the mixture mechanically?
it is pretty cute, isn't it?
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I was going to let that go, seeing as how he's only driving a veedub and hasn't been properly "trained" yet.
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Quick video of another 325ix autocrossing. He told me all the tips and tricks on how to autox an auto 325ix.
The best part is that its supposed to sprinkle in the morning so the course may be a little wet throughout the day which is good for me
It's not increasing the peak hp, it's about raising the average hp and putting it where you need it. If your BMW is mechanical injection and ignition, assuming you run high test gas (IIRC those year BMW's only call for 87) rotate the distributor to dial in about 5 degrees of advance over the factory spec (obviously some number other than 5 is ideal, maybe 3, maybe 7, more likely 7 than 3, just don't blow the engine, but this gives you an idea of where to start) and richen the mixture a touch to start with, then lean it out as far as you can. I bet your 1/4 mile times will drop by 3 tenths.
Richard
BTW I already have a mass airflow meter from a 3.5l engine and 19lb injectors (stock is 15).
In response to the "hey you should chip it" comment, I took a look around.
How the heck do you know who's telling the truth and who's lying? I mean
one says one thing and another something else with regard to processing
claims. Who are "reliable" mfgr's?
No, actually what I was saying was a typo. Instead of "It's not increasing the peak hp" I meant to say it's not increasing the peak hp that matters. If there is a chip for it, I figure it's got electronic injection, but advancing the timing would still probably work...unless the chip is doing that. To be honest I don't know enough about those cars that were in between the mechanical and electrical era...if it's mechanical though, the timing advance is worth it.