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I had a question. I know that it is frowned upon by some to vote for yourself if you manage to make it to the voting round. But, what if while you are compiling your top 10 favs for the feedback thread after entry is closed you thought that you had done well enough to include yourself in your own top 10. Not that I wanted to do it this time, I wasn't completely happy with the results of my efforts, but it has crossed my mind after the "discussion" on voting for yourself. Don't mean to stir up a hornet's nest :poke I was just curious to see what others thought.
Since I'm the one asking, I'll give you my thoughts up front. I can see both sides of the debate and probably would agree with the reasoning on either side. However, I think someone would need to have a really strong entry to do so, but am not sure that there would be anything wrong with doing so. Some might argue that this is another way of trying to promote your entry but if they haven't succeeded in the previous two weeks of swaying your vote they probably won't be able to at the last minute either.
I had a question. I know that it is frowned upon by some to vote for yourself if you manage to make it to the voting round. But, what if while you are compiling your top 10 favs for the feedback thread after entry is closed you thought that you had done well enough to include yourself in your own top 10. Not that I wanted to do it this time, I wasn't completely happy with the results of my efforts, but it has crossed my mind after the "discussion" on voting for yourself. Don't mean to stir up a hornet's nest :poke I was just curious to see what others thought.
Since I'm the one asking, I'll give you my thoughts up front. I can see both sides of the debate and probably would agree with the reasoning on either side. However, I think someone would need to have a really strong entry to do so, but am not sure that there would be anything wrong with doing so. Some might argue that this is another way of trying to promote your entry but if they haven't succeeded in the previous two weeks of swaying your vote they probably won't be able to at the last minute either.
Sorry, hope that I didn't ramble too much.
— Kevin
Kevin,
When posting your top ten, it's silly to include your own. Everyone likes their own shot, otherwise, why enter? So, being that is a given, just list your faves...nothing official about it anyway, so give kudos to your peers where due.
I had a question. I know that it is frowned upon by some to vote for yourself if you manage to make it to the voting round. But, what if while you are compiling your top 10 favs for the feedback thread after entry is closed you thought that you had done well enough to include yourself in your own top 10. Not that I wanted to do it this time, I wasn't completely happy with the results of my efforts, but it has crossed my mind after the "discussion" on voting for yourself. Don't mean to stir up a hornet's nest :poke I was just curious to see what others thought.
Since I'm the one asking, I'll give you my thoughts up front. I can see both sides of the debate and probably would agree with the reasoning on either side. However, I think someone would need to have a really strong entry to do so, but am not sure that there would be anything wrong with doing so. Some might argue that this is another way of trying to promote your entry but if they haven't succeeded in the previous two weeks of swaying your vote they probably won't be able to at the last minute either.
Sorry, hope that I didn't ramble too much.
— Kevin
My 2 cents (but with inflation, it really isn't even worth that much)... I think that every photographer that posts an entry in the DSS should believe that their entry is good enough to be in the top ten. I know occassionally we post something that doesn't really meet our own personal standards (like my DSS 7 entry - what was I thinking!) but for the most part, we enter images that we feel are better than all the others. Therefore, it is kind of assumed that each of us would include our own entry in our top picks.
I see the unofficial feedback thread as being a forum where we recognize the other entries that we feel were as good, or even better, than our own. There are no awards coming out of the unofficial thread other than the satisfaction of having others recognize your talent, so how much satisfaction can someone get by recognizing themself?
When posting your top ten, it's silly to include your own. Everyone likes their own shot, otherwise, why enter? So, being that is a given, just list your faves...nothing official about it anyway, so give kudos to your peers where due.
Dang Emily...your faster and more concise than me!!!!
Vote for what you believe is the best picture, if this is truly, beyond any doubt in your mind your own entry I suppose you could vote for it, but something about voting for yourself doesn't sit right with me.
Vote for what you believe is the best picture, if this is truly, beyond any doubt in your mind your own entry I suppose you could vote for it, but something about voting for yourself doesn't sit right with me.
Charlie
Thanks Charlie. I was not really talking about voting for one's self in the actual voting round, just about including yourself in your 10 ten favs. I agree with you that when it comes to the voting round its not really "right" to vote for your own photo. I was just wondering about peoples individual top 10 list. Of the several challenges that I have entered there is only one that I honestly felt that I had nailed and would have been inclined to include myself in my favs list but didn't. (It did make the voting round and no I didn't vote for it.) Thanks also Emily and Travis. Like I said, I can see both sides and agree with what both of you have said. I just wanted to ask the question because if it had crossed my mind I'm sure that someone else would be wondering about it as well. Just thought that I would throw it out there a see what reaction it got.
Thanks Charlie. I was not really talking about voting for one's self in the actual voting round, just about including yourself in your 10 ten favs. I agree with you that when it comes to the voting round its not really "right" to vote for your own photo. I was just wondering about peoples individual top 10 list. Of the several challenges that I have entered there is only one that I honestly felt that I had nailed and would have been inclined to include myself in my favs list but didn't. (It did make the voting round and no I didn't vote for it.) Thanks also Emily and Travis. Like I said, I can see both sides and agree with what both of you have said. I just wanted to ask the question because if it had crossed my mind I'm sure that someone else would be wondering about it as well. Just thought that I would throw it out there a see what reaction it got.
I woulnd't feel right about voting for myself or including my own photo in my top ten. There are more than enough fantastic photos in every round to choose from.
There are seriously some amazing photo's from this round, almost needs to be top 15.
Dusk/Dawn SOOC... Darn... I need to get grad ND...:-(
BTW, do we *have* to shoot JPEGs, or default settings in RAW are OK?
By default Bibble and Lightroom, etc. are going to do some manipulation of your image-- and a nogoodnik could set those defaults to favor pictures taken, for example, at dawn or dusk. I think the "spirit" of the rules suggests that you would want to shoot JPEG only, but that any filters or settings within the camera would be fair game. (B&W filters, sharpness settings, etc.)
By default Bibble and Lightroom, etc. are going to do some manipulation of your image-- and a nogoodnik could set those defaults to favor pictures taken, for example, at dawn or dusk. I think the "spirit" of the rules suggests that you would want to shoot JPEG only, but that any filters or settings within the camera would be fair game. (B&W filters, sharpness settings, etc.)
Being a nogood-Nik I can set up PictureStyles to do pretty much 70% of what ACR defaults do, what difference does it make? In the old days one could specify film type to ensure leveled plaing field, nowadays cameras do a lot with the buil-in software, some way more than the others...
Being a nogood-Nik I can set up PictureStyles to do pretty much 70% of what ACR defaults do, what difference does it make? In the old days one could specify film type to ensure leveled plaing field, nowadays cameras do a lot with the buil-in software, some way more than the others...
You make a good point. It is a poser of a question as to what "straight out of the camera" really means.
As for me, I intend to shoot jpeg and set the sharpness, wb, contrast, etc. in camera, but not apply filters or special effects (which my camera also has). That's as close as I can suss the spirit of the contest.
Okay, let's not nitpick this one to death. Straight out of the camera means no post processing. If you feel you're shot is "straight out of the camera" by using any and all functions your camera has available, then great. That wouldn't be my personal interpretation, but the main point is getting it right when you pull the trigger, not "fixing it" afterwards. I'm not setting rules about RAW vs. jpeg, just go shoot, no pp, have fun and learn!
Okay, let's not nitpick this one to death. Straight out of the camera means no post processing. If you feel you're shot is "straight out of the camera" by using any and all functions your camera has available, then great. That wouldn't be my personal interpretation, but the main point is getting it right when you pull the trigger, not "fixing it" afterwards. I'm not setting rules about RAW vs. jpeg, just go shoot, no pp, have fun and learn!
I'm not setting rules about RAW vs. jpeg, just go shoot, no pp, have fun and learn!
What do you mean by "have fun" - does enjoying the process of taking the photo count or do we really need to be having fun at the actual event we take the photo at? <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/mwink.gif" border="0" alt="" >
What do you mean by "have fun" - does enjoying the process of taking the photo count or do we really need to be having fun at the actual event we take the photo at? <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/mwink.gif" border="0" alt="" >
BTW, do we *have* to shoot JPEGs, or default settings in RAW are OK?
I think the camera has a setting that shoots RAW and JPG's.
Pretty easy.
This could be fun posting a straight from the camera, and the processed shot in your "How's this look" thread.
It could show how you go about "making" your final cut.
I think the camera has a setting that shoots RAW and JPG's.
Pretty easy.
This could be fun posting a straight from the camera, and the processed shot in your "How's this look" thread.
It could show how you go about "making" your final cut.
Yeah, I know, I still don't like them in-camera jpegs.. Didn't have one for three years already, basically since getting my first DSLR...
Yeah, I know, I still don't like them in-camera jpegs.. Didn't have one for three years already, basically since getting my first DSLR...
Nik...If I get a chance to shoot something, I plan to shoot RAW plus jpeg. This way I will have a shot to enter(jpeg) and another to rework IF it merits reworking. One thing for sure......we will see who can read a histogram...balance flash....stabilize a camera...etc depending on how they approach the shot.
I doubt it could be considered "fair" to use a picture style other than "faithful"....but you are right about in camera processing....and a custom picture style could even be brewed up on a pc and then saved to the camera.
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Since I'm the one asking, I'll give you my thoughts up front. I can see both sides of the debate and probably would agree with the reasoning on either side. However, I think someone would need to have a really strong entry to do so, but am not sure that there would be anything wrong with doing so. Some might argue that this is another way of trying to promote your entry but if they haven't succeeded in the previous two weeks of swaying your vote they probably won't be able to at the last minute either.
Sorry, hope that I didn't ramble too much.
— Kevin
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Kevin,
When posting your top ten, it's silly to include your own. Everyone likes their own shot, otherwise, why enter? So, being that is a given, just list your faves...nothing official about it anyway, so give kudos to your peers where due.
My 2 cents (but with inflation, it really isn't even worth that much)... I think that every photographer that posts an entry in the DSS should believe that their entry is good enough to be in the top ten. I know occassionally we post something that doesn't really meet our own personal standards (like my DSS 7 entry - what was I thinking!) but for the most part, we enter images that we feel are better than all the others. Therefore, it is kind of assumed that each of us would include our own entry in our top picks.
I see the unofficial feedback thread as being a forum where we recognize the other entries that we feel were as good, or even better, than our own. There are no awards coming out of the unofficial thread other than the satisfaction of having others recognize your talent, so how much satisfaction can someone get by recognizing themself?
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Dang Emily...your faster and more concise than me!!!!
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Charlie
Thanks Charlie. I was not really talking about voting for one's self in the actual voting round, just about including yourself in your 10 ten favs. I agree with you that when it comes to the voting round its not really "right" to vote for your own photo. I was just wondering about peoples individual top 10 list. Of the several challenges that I have entered there is only one that I honestly felt that I had nailed and would have been inclined to include myself in my favs list but didn't. (It did make the voting round and no I didn't vote for it.) Thanks also Emily and Travis. Like I said, I can see both sides and agree with what both of you have said. I just wanted to ask the question because if it had crossed my mind I'm sure that someone else would be wondering about it as well. Just thought that I would throw it out there a see what reaction it got.
— Kevin :hide
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Sorry Kevin, I should have paid more attention
Charlie
No worries here.
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There are seriously some amazing photo's from this round, almost needs to be top 15.
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BTW, do we *have* to shoot JPEGs, or default settings in RAW are OK?
By default Bibble and Lightroom, etc. are going to do some manipulation of your image-- and a nogoodnik could set those defaults to favor pictures taken, for example, at dawn or dusk. I think the "spirit" of the rules suggests that you would want to shoot JPEG only, but that any filters or settings within the camera would be fair game. (B&W filters, sharpness settings, etc.)
You make a good point. It is a poser of a question as to what "straight out of the camera" really means.
As for me, I intend to shoot jpeg and set the sharpness, wb, contrast, etc. in camera, but not apply filters or special effects (which my camera also has). That's as close as I can suss the spirit of the contest.
Sounds great!
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Just to let you know, I won't be able to post the finalists and poll until the morning. Didn't want you all staying up waiting on them tonight.
I think the camera has a setting that shoots RAW and JPG's.
Pretty easy.
This could be fun posting a straight from the camera, and the processed shot in your "How's this look" thread.
It could show how you go about "making" your final cut.
Basking in the shadows of yesterday's triumphs'.
Are we going to see an exceptional SOOC dusk/ fashion model shot?
Jeff
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Nik...If I get a chance to shoot something, I plan to shoot RAW plus jpeg. This way I will have a shot to enter(jpeg) and another to rework IF it merits reworking. One thing for sure......we will see who can read a histogram...balance flash....stabilize a camera...etc depending on how they approach the shot.
I doubt it could be considered "fair" to use a picture style other than "faithful"....but you are right about in camera processing....and a custom picture style could even be brewed up on a pc and then saved to the camera.
Jeff
-Need help with Dgrin?; Wedding Photography Resources
-My Website - Blog - Tips for Senior Portraiture