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    dbvetodbveto Registered Users Posts: 660 Major grins
    edited December 11, 2009
    If you switch to EM, will you not have to take your domain name with you, or have more than one. If you have another domain name, then how will older customers find you? etc...... New business cards to pass out, brochures, advertising?
    Ive only been here a short while and love the look of smugmug, I on the other hand find the choosing photos a little difficult for some customers.
    So we cant have it all! But I do think in time Smug will step up....clap.gif
    With mine I will be with smugmug for at least another year and I will be signing up with EM, the way I will be handling it is I am setting up a home page that will be hosted on godaddy then I can have links on there directing customers to where ever I want.

    I really like the custom ability of SM but there are features on EM that I also really like. So I have decided to take the next year to really make up my mind what site I will stay with.
    Dennis
    http://www.realphotoman.com/
    Work in progress
    http://www.realphotoman.net/ Zenfolio 10% off Referral Code: 1KH-5HX-5HU
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    GJMPhotoGJMPhoto Registered Users Posts: 372 Major grins
    edited December 13, 2009
    Resigned
    Having only been on SmugMug for less than a year, I have lurked quietly in the forums watching the different promises and "coming soon" threads. As a project manager in technology, its obvious that SmugMug has made the decision to not use any popular project management methodoligies, or they would be able to give us milestone reports on each of the different development activities. However, I do understand that SmugMug is capable of doing things any way they wish, and also understand that they may lose clients based upon their own method of doing things. Apparently, they have accepted that risk, and obviously don't think that too many people will leave, because they know that there are people like me who have a renewal coming up shortly, and are too lazy to start again from scratch with another site.

    Am I disappointed in their methods in announcing features with misleading/hazy release dates? Absolutely. Will I leave? Probably not. Will my comments in this thread make any difference. Definitely not, as the other irate client's comments have obviously fallen on deaf ears. Does it make me feel better by posting my opinions? Sure. Will I keep coming here anticipating disappointing updates? Naturally. I personally would just prefer no updates, versus a bunch of misleading teaser comments. Overall, I am very happy with what I get from SmugMug. I just feel that they could be more professional in these forums if they are going to continue to reply to threads.

    Please just be honest, and only tell us the truth.
    i.e. "Yes, it's coming. However, we anticipate at least 10 months of development to get this accomplished. We will keep you updated as we progress and will ask for you feedback throughout the process!" or "Yes, we are working on it, and is the top issue in our queue at the moment and you can expect to see updates in 3rd quarter of 2011." Although, that would be unfortunate, it would at least be honest and you wouldn't be dangling that carrot for extended periods of time.

    Ahhhhh....I've been a smugmug customer for 3+ years and have diverted 90% of my business away from Smug, predominantly because of the lack of packages.

    In the beginning, I was very vocal about it...but now I've just become resigned to wait...they'll get to it eventually - it may not even work the way I hope it will - but hey, I'm able to do business anyway.

    Oh...and by the way...I too have been a dev manager in software...and I too have made the very points you have. You will come to the conclusion as I have that Smug is in the photo sharing business moving (sometimes slowly) into the professional provisioning business...they are not professional software developers...and, unless they change personnel or contract a professional development company, will not be.

    Do what you do well...

    - Gary.
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    DigitalJackDigitalJack Registered Users Posts: 2 Beginner grinner
    edited December 15, 2009
    Picture Packages...
    OK, I know that I am late to the "game" but I wanted to say, Thank You for the coupons but now I just wanted to put my two cents in... wings.gif

    I have been a SM'ie for a while and I am still hoping to get a PACKAGE option for my clients... It should have the ability for me to specify: such as: PACKAGE #1 ~ 1-8x10, 2-5x7s, 16-wallets, PACKAGE #2 ~ ect....

    If there would be a way to customize what products we could add to the package and then we could set the price...

    I am usually one that keeps quiet but I wanted to make sure you had some more feedback, just in case you didn't have enough... :D

    Thanks for always thinking of us and for doing such a GREAT job...

    Thanks again ~

    Jack Taylor
    Scottsdale, AZ
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    jmarkworth1jmarkworth1 Registered Users Posts: 17 Big grins
    edited December 16, 2009
    Let's remember...
    PocketWizards for CLS were summer 09
    Windows 7 was not supposed to have as many patches
    QuickenMac was 08 sometime, I think
    I think Tucker had a car that did 70mpg (probably need to watch the movie again to be sure)
    Steve made the movie about the future of portable computing in the early 90s (late 80s maybe)

    I am waiting along with everyone else. If SM wants to charge me $500 per year for a pro, pro account, and they staff a pro, pro dev and EMP manager - let them. Until then, I will not expect a $1000 service for 1/10th (approx) the price.

    Your flash unit can't upload, store, display, crop, cart, provision, print, ship, and respond to blog postings - yet many of us paid one, two, or three years worth of SM feels for a single unit.
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    dbvetodbveto Registered Users Posts: 660 Major grins
    edited December 16, 2009
    PocketWizards for CLS were summer 09
    Windows 7 was not supposed to have as many patches
    QuickenMac was 08 sometime, I think
    I think Tucker had a car that did 70mpg (probably need to watch the movie again to be sure)
    Steve made the movie about the future of portable computing in the early 90s (late 80s maybe)

    I am waiting along with everyone else. If SM wants to charge me $500 per year for a pro, pro account, and they staff a pro, pro dev and EMP manager - let them. Until then, I will not expect a $1000 service for 1/10th (approx) the price.

    Your flash unit can't upload, store, display, crop, cart, provision, print, ship, and respond to blog postings - yet many of us paid one, two, or three years worth of SM feels for a single unit.

    I was just expecting the same or close service that other sites have. Exposuremanager 99.00 had coupons and also has packages and they charge 10% not 15% so what are we paying for great service yes, I also got that with EM.
    Dennis
    http://www.realphotoman.com/
    Work in progress
    http://www.realphotoman.net/ Zenfolio 10% off Referral Code: 1KH-5HX-5HU
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited December 17, 2009
    I am usually one that keeps quiet
    I'm so very glad you spoke up, and that you're our customer.

    Thanks!
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    GJMPhotoGJMPhoto Registered Users Posts: 372 Major grins
    edited December 17, 2009
    PocketWizards for CLS were summer 09
    Windows 7 was not supposed to have as many patches
    QuickenMac was 08 sometime, I think
    I think Tucker had a car that did 70mpg (probably need to watch the movie again to be sure)
    Steve made the movie about the future of portable computing in the early 90s (late 80s maybe)

    I am waiting along with everyone else. If SM wants to charge me $500 per year for a pro, pro account, and they staff a pro, pro dev and EMP manager - let them. Until then, I will not expect a $1000 service for 1/10th (approx) the price.

    Your flash unit can't upload, store, display, crop, cart, provision, print, ship, and respond to blog postings - yet many of us paid one, two, or three years worth of SM feels for a single unit.

    I promised myself I would not get dragged down into this discussion again...I am fully satisfied with the way I'm using Smugmug and I'm perfectly comfortable with my other providers for the rest of my business...maybe I'll switch when Smug gets to packages...maybe I won't...or maybe I'll keep both going depending on the type of job. I have long ago taken the position of, 'Whatever'.

    However...using Smug's price point as an excuse for promising 'Any day now' for over 3 years (I've been a Smuggie for over 3 years) and not delivering is weak...because...

    There is a difference between taking 5 years to develop a product and taking 5 years to develop a product while constantly promising the product "soon". The latter smells of poor management controls, bad planning, and unprofessional software development practices. That's why the software geeks out there mention it that way.

    In the development world there are three parameters: Speed, Cost, and Quality - the saying goes, you can only have 2 of them. Given how long this particular deliverable has taken, I'd say the price point is pretty good and the quality ought to be immaculate!

    - Gary.
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    timk519timk519 Registered Users Posts: 831 Major grins
    edited December 17, 2009
    GJMPhoto wrote:
    There is a difference between taking 5 years to develop a product and taking 5 years to develop a product while constantly promising the product "soon". The latter smells of poor management controls, bad planning, and unprofessional software development practices. That's why the software geeks out there mention it that way.
    You're leaving out the nature of the communications coming from the organization - namely that "soon" should only be used for shorter periods (say <= 1 month).

    Unfortunately, "soon" has been trundled out even when they clearly know it's going to take longer than a month, and when time drags on, that reflects badly on management and developers.

    So, in this situation, one would have cause to 'shoot the messenger.' <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029383/emoji/mwink.gif&quot; border="0" alt="" >
    • Save $5 off your first year's SmugMug image hosting with coupon code hccesQbqNBJbc
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    PhotometricPhotometric Registered Users Posts: 309 Major grins
    edited January 22, 2010
    Are there any rough timelines for packages at this point, or just a simple 'stay tuned'?
    http://www.djdimages.com/

    "Don't worry when you are not recognized, but strive to be worthy of recognition."
    -- Abraham Lincoln
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    mleemlee Registered Users Posts: 104 Major grins
    edited January 22, 2010
    Are there any rough timelines for packages at this point, or just a simple 'stay tuned'?

    This one is above...

    http://dgrin.com/showpost.php?p=1278123&postcount=220

    Mike
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited January 22, 2010
    Are there any rough timelines for packages at this point, or just a simple 'stay tuned'?
    Gaining on it! (Promise)
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    PubUltraStarPubUltraStar Registered Users Posts: 19 Big grins
    edited February 4, 2010
    Andy wrote:
    I expect it to be before January's over, but anything can happen. We're working fast and furious on this, and it's the company's highest priority.

    Did you mean January 2010, or 2011? Trying to be patient. Can we expect something before the end of February, 2010?
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited February 4, 2010
    Did you mean January 2010, or 2011? Trying to be patient. Can we expect something before the end of February, 2010?
    Lots of work, huge hours, plenty of sleep lost. It's closer than ever now. Stay tuned.
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    bendruckerphotobendruckerphoto Registered Users Posts: 579 Major grins
    edited February 5, 2010
    It's closer than ever now.

    So I should hope! In any case, I'm expecting an excellent implementation once it comes out. I've come to expect nothing less from SmugMug.
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    KaganKagan Registered Users Posts: 196 Major grins
    edited February 18, 2010
    Time for the obligatory update again I think....BUMP rolleyes1.gif
    Kagan
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited February 18, 2010
    Kagan wrote:
    Time for the obligatory update again I think....BUMP rolleyes1.gif
    Hi guys, you don't need to bump this. It's the #1 thing in our company right now, and getting closer than ever. We've been testing it internally.
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    bendruckerphotobendruckerphoto Registered Users Posts: 579 Major grins
    edited March 2, 2010
    Just had to copy this email I just got so everyone sees it... Exciting times indeed.


    Many thanks to so many wonderful pros who invited us to their homes and
    studios this past year. Never in my career have I seen so much
    generosity of time while you patiently explained the nuances of your
    workflows.


    Although we have tens of thousands of pros, many who have been with us
    for years, this year was different. Groups of passionate photographers
    approached us to say, "You're off to a good start but it's not enough.
    To become great, you need packages. Folders & favorites. Event
    marketing. Smart galleries. User group meetings. Coupons. Powerful
    SEO. A great pro lab. Better branding. Deeper customization. And more."


    So we doubled our engineering team, rolled out SmugMug User Groups (
    http://www.smugmug.com/smugs/info/ ), and shipped a dozen new features.
    You can track the details on our release notes blog (
    http://blogs.smugmug.com/release-notes/ ).


    Packages, folders & favorites, and event marketing are imminent. With
    luck they'll be live for WPPI next week, but if not, come by booth #1518
    for demos (and for an invite to our party Tuesday night).


    When they're live, we'll display the new SmugMug Pro logo on our site
    for pages you don't brand as your own.


    Now that we have so much feature momentum, you can expect some more big
    surprises in the not-too-distant future.


    Thanks again,
    Chris MacAskill
    Co-founder
    (@baldy on Twitter)
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    SheafSheaf Registered Users, SmugMug Product Team Posts: 775 SmugMug Employee
    edited March 6, 2010
    Thanks so much for the feedback everyone. We hope you enjoy the feature!
    SmugMug Product Manager
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited March 6, 2010
    Many thanks guys - for your patience and loyalty!
    http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=161052
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