Hey also I was wondering. Should I get a 70-200 2.8IS or the 100-400 IS for the trip?
Take both.. I'm gonna:-) What's the point of having all that beautiful glass collecting dust on a shelf at home while you'll be in such a beautiful place?
I dont know If I can afford both...... I will have to try tho.
I thought you already got them both and just trying to lighten your load for the trip..
However, if your question is "which one you should get"... I'd say 100-400.
My reasonings:
* in landscapes you usually don't need a shallow DOF, hence no need for f/2.8
* On a tele side with 100-400 you lose on 70..100 but gain 200..400 vs 70-200. If you really wanna get that glowing peak - you wanna get long:-)
I'm with Nik on this one. I'd get the 100-400.
Your other lenses will do a good job for scenery, the 100-400 are for those bear shots, unless you want to try to get closer with the 70-200.
I'm with Nik on this one. I'd get the 100-400.
Your other lenses will do a good job for scenery, the 100-400 are for those bear shots, unless you want to try to get closer with the 70-200.
hehe, I def. have to get a longer lens before the trip I have a 70-200 2.8 and a cheapy 70-300 f/4 - 5.6. I'm thinking I should sell the 70-300 and get one with more range. I'd rather not get TOO close the bears.
So how many people are going on this trip for the scenery and how many are going for the wildlife? Personally I'm happy with both but I'm really looking forward to the wildlife. Hey Dean, you want to go running after mountain lions again?
I dont know If I can afford both...... I will have to try tho.
Dean - there will be a fair number of 70 - 200s around - and it is common to swap lenses as you know. Is Mike Lane coming? He has a bigma, IIRC.
BTW, how goes training? I hope well. Unfortunately, I haven't started - and my experience this fall in Canmore tell me I need to get ready for hiking at altitude.
Dean - there will be a fair number of 70 - 200s around - and it is common to swap lenses as you know. Is Mike Lane coming? He has a bigma, IIRC.
BTW, how goes training? I hope well. Unfortunately, I haven't started - and my experience this fall in Canmore tell me I need to get ready for hiking at altitude.
ann
Hey there Ann, the Altitude knocked me around on the post shootout last time, as I live at sea level and there is no high altitude anywhere near where I am...... so it will probably happen again this time around.
The shortness of breathe is amazing, I walked every day for 3 months before the last trip, yet I still struggled with Altitude. .... Skippy
So how many people are going on this trip for the scenery and how many are going for the wildlife? Personally I'm happy with both but I'm really looking forward to the wildlife. Hey Dean, you want to go running after mountain lions again?
I'd like to do both Nick....when I was there last year, we saw quite a bit of Wildlife, along the way ..... the scenery is Spectacular too ...Skippy
Hey there Ann, the Altitude knocked me around on the post shootout last time, as I live at sea level and there is no high altitude anywhere near where I am...... so it will probably happen again this time around.
The shortness of breathe is amazing, I walked every day for 3 months before the last trip, yet I still struggled with Altitude. .... Skippy
Yikes, I'm at sea level too and we consider a 2000' a mountain. I'm gonna be in trouble! Water helps though right? Or am I thinking of something else?
ETA : Answered my own question -
Drink more water. The air is drier and your body will dehydrate much more quickly. The higher up you go, the more water you should drink.
Well I think im going to be going for both Nick. As much as im scared stupid of anything bigger than a mouse I would like to see something cool.....though from a long distance ! (100-400 with 2x TC would work )
And Ann, my training is going well. I was out this last weekend trudging around in the knee high snow with my backpack on. I think after Christmas im going to start on a stair climber to get used to climbing more. Im not sure how much that will help with the higher elevation...as I to am at around sea level. Is there a way to simulate higher atmosphere ???
I used to be fit enough that I could hike without much thought. Bryce Canyon was difficult for me but not impossible. I walked and carried my gear ahead of time as practice, but still was sucking wind coming up out of the canyon in the heat of the day.
By the end of our 4 days in Bryce and Zion, I was exhausted. I recovered each night in terms of muscle soreness etc. but evening day 4 saw me really flat - to the point I shot with the 135mmf2 because the thought of taking the backpack off to change lenses was too much. Now - I went on every hike in Bryce and Zion and probably was too ambitious in that.
Last Labour Day we were in Canmore and hiked HaLing Peak. It starts at many meters above sea level and climbs 800m in about 2 km i.e serious incline to serious altitude. Well, sadly, I could not keep up to the group I was with and was left behind huffin and chuffin - I had a full camera backpack with me to boot.
So what I've learned from all this is that
1. I need to have much better overall fitness - good aerobic ability in order to hanlde the climb
2. Altitude just makes everything that much more difficult - less oxygen in the air
3. it is necessary to also be prepared before hand with proper hydration and energy supplies
So, I intend to use my eliptical trainer and bow flex, to get out and walk and to increase my overall fitness. How I will do that with this desk job and my soccer taxi role is yet to be seen, but I do have 8 months to get it done.
Yikes, I'm at sea level too and we consider a 2000' a mountain. I'm gonna be in trouble! Water helps though right? Or am I thinking of something else?
From what I've read and experienced the only thing that helps your body acclimate to altitude is altitude, and altitude tends to affect everyone differently regardless of what kind of shape you are in.
So how many people are going on this trip for the scenery and how many are going for the wildlife? Personally I'm happy with both but I'm really looking forward to the wildlife. Hey Dean, you want to go running after mountain lions again?
I'm in for both too! I think there's some bison (buffalo) in the area, but not sure exactly where. Wouldn't mind finding them or some big-horn sheep in either in a pre- or post-shootout.
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Well I think im going to be going for both Nick. As much as im scared stupid of anything bigger than a mouse I would like to see something cool.....though from a long distance ! (100-400 with 2x TC would work )
And Ann, my training is going well. I was out this last weekend trudging around in the knee high snow with my backpack on. I think after Christmas im going to start on a stair climber to get used to climbing more. Im not sure how much that will help with the higher elevation...as I to am at around sea level. Is there a way to simulate higher atmosphere ???
Dean, improving your cardio will certainly help! The more "efficient" your body becomes the less oxygen you'll need. As you find your workouts are getting longer and you're able to work out harder it will pay off when there's less oxygen around - at least up to a point. As Greenpea indicates, there are issues with being at high altitude that require acclimation - but I don't think it becomes major until you get upward of 7,000-8,000ft (don't quote me that!). I'll see if I can find more tomorrow.
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I'm in for both too! I think there's some bison (buffalo) in the area, but not sure exactly where. Wouldn't mind finding them or some big-horn sheep in either in a pre- or post-shootout.
I'm in for both too! I think there's some bison (buffalo) in the area, but not sure exactly where. Wouldn't mind finding them or some big-horn sheep in either in a pre- or post-shootout.
Hi Jack
There is a wildlife or bison park at the south end of Galcier. We drove through it in 2001, I think. It was really nice - great prairie landscapes
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It'a all about environment. Those raised in zoos are more "people friendly". Those in the wild have been known to be man/woman/child killers. Respect of wild animals is the only sane path to take.
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It'a all about environment. Those raised in zoos are more "people friendly". Those in the wild have been known to be man/woman/child killers. Respect of wild animals is the only sane path to take.
I know, I was kidding. I've worked with animals for years and I know that even domesticated animals can be dangerous.
Oh, and check that there isn't still space available and/or get put on the waitlist. Someone could still pull out!
Just curious-- hadn't seen this thread before-- but is there a camping option? Yeah, yeah-- I know all about Montana in late September. I'm no stranger to snow camping.
Just curious if there's a discount if I don't need lodging?
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Take both.. I'm gonna:-) What's the point of having all that beautiful glass collecting dust on a shelf at home while you'll be in such a beautiful place?
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I thought you already got them both and just trying to lighten your load for the trip..
However, if your question is "which one you should get"... I'd say 100-400.
My reasonings:
* in landscapes you usually don't need a shallow DOF, hence no need for f/2.8
* On a tele side with 100-400 you lose on 70..100 but gain 200..400 vs 70-200. If you really wanna get that glowing peak - you wanna get long:-)
HTH
Your other lenses will do a good job for scenery, the 100-400 are for those bear shots, unless you want to try to get closer with the 70-200.
Basking in the shadows of yesterday's triumphs'.
hehe, I def. have to get a longer lens before the trip I have a 70-200 2.8 and a cheapy 70-300 f/4 - 5.6. I'm thinking I should sell the 70-300 and get one with more range.
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Dean - there will be a fair number of 70 - 200s around - and it is common to swap lenses as you know. Is Mike Lane coming? He has a bigma, IIRC.
BTW, how goes training? I hope well. Unfortunately, I haven't started - and my experience this fall in Canmore tell me I need to get ready for hiking at altitude.
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Hey there Ann, the Altitude knocked me around on the post shootout last time, as I live at sea level and there is no high altitude anywhere near where I am...... so it will probably happen again this time around.
The shortness of breathe is amazing, I walked every day for 3 months before the last trip, yet I still struggled with Altitude. .... Skippy
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:skippy Everyone has the right to be stupid, but some people just abuse the privilege :dgrin
I'd like to do both Nick....when I was there last year, we saw quite a bit of Wildlife, along the way ..... the scenery is Spectacular too
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:skippy Everyone has the right to be stupid, but some people just abuse the privilege :dgrin
Yikes, I'm at sea level too and we consider a 2000' a mountain. I'm gonna be in trouble! Water helps though right? Or am I thinking of something else?
ETA : Answered my own question - Info from Experience Colorado Springs @ Pikes Peak
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And Ann, my training is going well. I was out this last weekend trudging around in the knee high snow with my backpack on. I think after Christmas im going to start on a stair climber to get used to climbing more. Im not sure how much that will help with the higher elevation...as I to am at around sea level. Is there a way to simulate higher atmosphere ???
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Of all places, my mother in law lives in Kalispell, MT. I can easily stay with her. Could I still attend?
Thanks,
Doug
PS: Some shots from GNP last time I was there:
The Mission Range, from the plane:
I used to be fit enough that I could hike without much thought. Bryce Canyon was difficult for me but not impossible. I walked and carried my gear ahead of time as practice, but still was sucking wind coming up out of the canyon in the heat of the day.
By the end of our 4 days in Bryce and Zion, I was exhausted. I recovered each night in terms of muscle soreness etc. but evening day 4 saw me really flat - to the point I shot with the 135mmf2 because the thought of taking the backpack off to change lenses was too much. Now - I went on every hike in Bryce and Zion and probably was too ambitious in that.
Last Labour Day we were in Canmore and hiked HaLing Peak. It starts at many meters above sea level and climbs 800m in about 2 km i.e serious incline to serious altitude. Well, sadly, I could not keep up to the group I was with and was left behind huffin and chuffin - I had a full camera backpack with me to boot.
So what I've learned from all this is that
1. I need to have much better overall fitness - good aerobic ability in order to hanlde the climb
2. Altitude just makes everything that much more difficult - less oxygen in the air
3. it is necessary to also be prepared before hand with proper hydration and energy supplies
So, I intend to use my eliptical trainer and bow flex, to get out and walk and to increase my overall fitness. How I will do that with this desk job and my soccer taxi role is yet to be seen, but I do have 8 months to get it done.
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From what I've read and experienced the only thing that helps your body acclimate to altitude is altitude, and altitude tends to affect everyone differently regardless of what kind of shape you are in.
Before I made a ski trip to Silverton Mountain in Colorado, I read on their web site http://www.silvertonmountain.com/tips4trips.php that you can take Ginseng supplements to help. I tried the Ginseng approach and it did seemed to help me a little.
From other experiences I’ve had when spending time at altitude, I found the more active you are at altitude the quicker you acclimate.
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I'm in for both too! I think there's some bison (buffalo) in the area, but not sure exactly where. Wouldn't mind finding them or some big-horn sheep in either in a pre- or post-shootout.
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Dean, improving your cardio will certainly help! The more "efficient" your body becomes the less oxygen you'll need. As you find your workouts are getting longer and you're able to work out harder it will pay off when there's less oxygen around - at least up to a point. As Greenpea indicates, there are issues with being at high altitude that require acclimation - but I don't think it becomes major until you get upward of 7,000-8,000ft (don't quote me that!). I'll see if I can find more tomorrow.
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be careful around bison
Hi Jack
There is a wildlife or bison park at the south end of Galcier. We drove through it in 2001, I think. It was really nice - great prairie landscapes
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Looks like a great subject for that new 100-400 of mine, maybe even with a TC :-)
er... yeah... after seeing Seamus' link let's just not get TOO close!
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what ya afraid of, Jack? 1000lb of mean, nasty, stinky bison?
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Pure evil, 'dem Bison...
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P.S. - I sure wish I could go with you - there's so much to explore in DGrin that I didn't get to this thread until it was way too late.
So, where's the 2008 shoot out?:D Sign me up!
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I know, I was kidding.
Oh, and check that there isn't still space available and/or get put on the waitlist. Someone could still pull out!
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We have room for a few more....
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Thanks for the head's up on this!
An update: I just sent David the deposit and
I'm In!!!
I can hardly wait - now comes the "fun" part - the planning!
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Welcome! It's gonna be awesome!
Just curious if there's a discount if I don't need lodging?
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