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    antriebantrieb Registered Users Posts: 285 Major grins
    edited November 17, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    grrr need to type faster!
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    dragon300zxdragon300zx Registered Users Posts: 2,575 Major grins
    edited November 17, 2006
    XHawkeye wrote:
    Found this surfing.
    996 GT3, Aston Martin and another car (won't ruin the surprise) at Spa

    Right/click save as
    http://www.blinkerfluid.org/video/T1inLaSource-2.wmv (14.2 mb)
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    Um, that was a mini bus, and it schooled those other cars. My world is now upside down, right must be wrong, I feel so lost.
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    DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited November 17, 2006
    antrieb wrote:
    grrr need to type faster!
    thats why I get paid the big bucks lol3.gif
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    ivarivar Registered Users Posts: 8,395 Major grins
    edited November 17, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    thats why I get paid the big bucks lol3.gif
    you do eek7.gif
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    gusgus Registered Users Posts: 16,209 Major grins
    edited November 17, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    Yep...heaps of them running about here still...real cult car.
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    DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited November 17, 2006
    ivar wrote:
    you do eek7.gif
    doh! :hide
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    ivarivar Registered Users Posts: 8,395 Major grins
    edited November 17, 2006
    DoctorIt wrote:
    doh! :hide
    i wasn't expecting you to reply to that one.... :D
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    marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited November 19, 2006
    Because the camshafts have delayed my build, I was given this loaner since the date the car was supposed to be ready was also a I need to have a car starting then date. It's pretty cool (1987 560SEC)
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    ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,913 moderator
    edited November 19, 2006
    'spike,

    What do you think about those bitchin cool keyless keys lol3.gif

    I always thought it was convenience that you didn't need to use the key.
    That is until I learned that that key only works with the IR and you can't
    start the car without IR. And worse, if the DAS encryption stuff dies,
    you'll be out for a new EIS (about $1300 plus the green key that comes
    from the fatherland...). Yeeouch!
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    DavidTODavidTO Registered Users, Retired Mod Posts: 19,160 Major grins
    edited November 19, 2006
    ian408 wrote:
    'spike,

    What do you think about those bitchin cool keyless keys lol3.gif

    I always thought it was convenience that you didn't need to use the key.
    That is until I learned that that key only works with the IR and you can't
    start the car without IR. And worse, if the DAS encryption stuff dies,
    you'll be out for a new EIS (about $1300 plus the green key that comes
    from the fatherland...). Yeeouch!


    Weird, is that like the keyless entry on my Prius? If the battery dies in the fob, then I just stick it in a slot, and it works fine.

    The Wikipedia explains it better than I could. Is it pretty much the same system?
    Wikipedia wrote:
    An option called the Smart Key System (SKS) eliminates the traditional ignition key. The "smart key," which resembles a conventional keyless entry remote, has buttons to remotely lock and unlock the door, as well as trigger the alarm system. It is not necessary to use any of the buttons to utilize the SKS system. Approaching to within one meter of the car while in possession of the key (even inside a pocket or purse) causes the interior dome lights to fade in (if the switches are at the DOOR position). When the person with the key in their possession touches the inside of either of the front door handless, or the rear hatchback door handle, that door (or more) is immediately unlocked and can be opened. There are three settings in which the Smart Key System (SKS) can operate with: driver's door unlocking mode, single door unlocking mode, and all doors unlocking mode. Once inside, the car may be started by pushing the "POWER" button while depressing the brake pedal, with the fob still safely tucked away inside your pocket or purse. To stop the car, push the "POWER" button again. Once parked, the car can be locked by a pushing a black button on the exterior door handle. The SKS system will detect keys left inside the vehicle when powered-off, and will not allow the vehicle to be locked in this situation.
    There is no conventional ignition switch which needs to be turned to start the Prius, that function having been replaced by a simple round "POWER" button on the dashboard. With the SKS models, the driver only needs to sit down inside the vehicle (with the fob in their possession), press the brake with their foot and push the "POWER" button to start the vehicle. On cars which are not equipped with SKS, the driver uses the lock/unlock buttons on the fob, and puts the remote fob into a slot in the dash to allow the car to start.
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    marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited November 19, 2006
    ian408 wrote:
    'spike,

    What do you think about those bitchin cool keyless keys lol3.gif

    I always thought it was convenience that you didn't need to use the key.
    That is until I learned that that key only works with the IR and you can't
    start the car without IR. And worse, if the DAS encryption stuff dies,
    you'll be out for a new EIS (about $1300 plus the green key that comes
    from the fatherland...). Yeeouch!

    I'm guessing you're referring to how I said this about that Type R ""Naw, since when have the people of the present day cared about function? Let's put a start button on it too, since that makes so much sense in a road car, plus, it's one more thing that can go wrong and leave you stranded!111!!!!!!111""

    I think my philosophy on how a car should be can be summed up by this example: when at the MB dealership one of the salesmen was checking out my car. We got to talking about cars and then he said, hey, lemme show you something really cool, we have an SLR-McLaren. So I was looking at that and then something caught my eye and I went "WHOA." It was a mint condition 1989 560SL red on palomino. When he told me it had never been sold and was not for sale but simply a display piece, suddenly that SLR-McLaren seemed like an insignificant hunk of junk.
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    ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,913 moderator
    edited November 19, 2006
    David,

    MB uses a combination RF, IR and key. IR or RF or the key can be used to
    unlock the door. But you must insert the key fob into the ignition to start
    the car. For that, only IR is used. So in that sense, it's similar but not the
    same as SKS. If the battery in the fob fails for any reason, you can't start
    the car. The fob is also like one of those RSA keys you use to generate a
    password. When you stick the fob in the ignition, electronic keys are
    exchanged and if successful, the key will turn and you can (hopefully)
    start the car.

    The idea is pretty slick but it makes the car so much more complex that
    simple roadside diagnosis is pretty hard and towing is not out of the
    question :D
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    marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited November 19, 2006
    ian408 wrote:
    David,

    MB uses a combination RF, IR and key. IR or RF or the key can be used to
    unlock the door. But you must insert the key fob into the ignition to start
    the car. For that, only IR is used. So in that sense, it's similar but not the
    same as SKS. If the battery in the fob fails for any reason, you can't start
    the car. The fob is also like one of those RSA keys you use to generate a
    password. When you stick the fob in the ignition, electronic keys are
    exchanged and if successful, the key will turn and you can (hopefully)
    start the car.

    The idea is pretty slick but it makes the car so much more complex that
    simple roadside diagnosis is pretty hard and towing is not out of the
    question :D

    Now, what I do like are actual keys that have embedded computer chips (like what BMW was using in the late 90's). The cars are basically impossible to steal, but the battery needs significantly less juice to work (just about nothing) and the keys/ignitions are not so expensive.
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    ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,913 moderator
    edited November 19, 2006
    I'm guessing you're referring to how I said this about that Type R ""Naw, since when have the people of the present day cared about function? Let's put a start button on it too, since that makes so much sense in a road car, plus, it's one more thing that can go wrong and leave you stranded!111!!!!!!111"".

    Nah. I think I mentioned a buddy bought a '02 E55 AMG (I hope I got that
    right). We spent the other day trying to make it go. Had to eventually
    tow it to the dealer where it awaits the green key...

    I think it really helps illustrate your point though.
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    ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,913 moderator
    edited November 19, 2006
    Now, what I do like are actual keys that have embedded computer chips (like what BMW was using in the late 90's). The cars are basically impossible to steal, but the battery needs significantly less juice to work (just about nothing) and the keys/ignitions are not so expensive.

    Yes. Newer BMW motorcycles read the chip installed in the key too. Again,
    if that fails or you break it off (as can happen when you drop a GS), she
    won't start captain :D
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    marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited November 19, 2006
    ian408 wrote:
    Nah. I think I mentioned a buddy bought a '02 E55 AMG (I hope I got that
    right). We spent the other day trying to make it go. Had to eventually
    tow it to the dealer where it awaits the green key...

    I think it really helps illustrate your point though.

    Umm...I don't remember you mentioning that. Well...when the key gets in it'll be fun though.
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    ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,913 moderator
    edited November 20, 2006
    Umm...I don't remember you mentioning that. Well...when the key gets in it'll be fun though.

    It's a very nice car. It's got power and handles reasonably well--nice
    build quality (well except for the EIS thing).
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    Antonio CorreiaAntonio Correia Registered Users Posts: 6,241 Major grins
    edited November 20, 2006
    Americans like European cars very much ... Don't you ?
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    http://www.bmw.co.uk/images/bmwuk/mid/hp/mid_hp_M_M3_CA_tall_FineGround_vnmnimiwlm4fspyayct2pjtbb_FGN_V01.jpg


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    ivarivar Registered Users Posts: 8,395 Major grins
    edited November 20, 2006
    Antonio, Please do not post photos that you don't own inline, but link them. This particular one is copyrighted to BMW UK.

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    DoctorItDoctorIt Administrators Posts: 11,951 moderator
    edited November 20, 2006
    'spike, that SEC is bitchin! My best friend in high school got to borrow his dad's for our junior prom. the lack of B-pillar makes it feel like a convertible with the windows and moonroof open, only much stiffer and lighter. naughty.gif

    Fabulous looking cars.
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    marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited November 20, 2006
    Yeah, the no B-pillar is cool. I think the Mustang would be a million times better without one. Honestly, I don't think any coupe should have one.
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited November 22, 2006
    antrieb wrote:
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    So honestly, I thought this would be another antrieb p.o.s. car. But I finally saw it in person, :ivar it looks sweet. Nice car, boy!
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    dragon300zxdragon300zx Registered Users Posts: 2,575 Major grins
    edited November 22, 2006
    Andy wrote:
    So honestly, I thought this would be another antrieb p.o.s. car. But I finally saw it in person, :ivar it looks sweet. Nice car, boy!

    it may look good (for now) but how does it run?
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    antriebantrieb Registered Users Posts: 285 Major grins
    edited November 22, 2006
    Runs and drives nice enough to keep my sister asleep in the back the whole way to Andy's.
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    ian408ian408 Administrators Posts: 21,913 moderator
    edited November 22, 2006
    antrieb wrote:
    Runs and drives nice enough to keep my sister asleep in the back the whole way to Andy's.

    A good brother you are.

    Keep the old man in line. Would you?
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    AndyAndy Registered Users Posts: 50,016 Major grins
    edited November 22, 2006
    ian408 wrote:
    Keep the old man in line. Would you?
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    dragon300zxdragon300zx Registered Users Posts: 2,575 Major grins
    edited November 22, 2006
    antrieb wrote:
    Runs and drives nice enough to keep my sister asleep in the back the whole way to Andy's.

    The kids of the girl who's living with me (oy vey) always sleep in the car too. My ex would always sleep in the van whenever it took us more than 15 minutes to get somewhere.

    The point you ask?

    Kids and women can sleep anywhere, especially if they wanna avoid talking to you. SO how does it really run?
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    antriebantrieb Registered Users Posts: 285 Major grins
    edited November 22, 2006
    Ok, you want to know how it really runs? I’ll be honest with you.

    I replaced the serpentine belt and now it squeaks, yes I tightened the tensioner all the way. The car smokes like hell when I start it up; this is probably due to worn valve guides. At idle, there is a slight shake, this is either from a bad engine mount or a misfire. And lastly it leaks a quart of oil a day from what looks to be the oil pan. I bet my dumb ‘friend’ forgot to put on the oil pan gasket because it literally leaks like a sieve.

    Other than that, its quiet, has lots of power, and everything works as it should.
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    marlinspikemarlinspike Registered Users Posts: 2,095 Major grins
    edited November 23, 2006
    Ouch. Those are the words of an angry man :D

    Zac, you see the ride I'm rolling in while waiting for my car? Last night the alternator belt snapped on me, so...I drove to the movie theater (with lights, heater, wiper, stereo) about 8 miles away, saw a movie, drove back, then this morning (before my morning flight) drove to NAPA and changed the alternator belt in the pouring rain in 44F weather. Fun fun fun.

    It really made me appreciate the ergonomic handles on my ratchet set though. Even though my tools were drenched (and I was drenched) and it was cold as heck, it wasn't slippery and it didn't feel like cold metal. Those Italians know what they're doing.
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    jsedlakjsedlak Registered Users Posts: 487 Major grins
    edited November 23, 2006
    dang antrieb... pm me who the idiot friend is! I wanna know!!!!!
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